Why Does Cherenkov Radiation Form a Ring in a Concave Mirror Setup?

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The problem involves understanding the formation of a ring image due to Cherenkov radiation in a concave mirror setup, specifically when a particle beam travels faster than the speed of light in a medium. The original poster seeks to explain the geometric relationships and the behavior of light in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the geometric relationships between the center of the ring, the trajectory of the particles, and the wavefronts of the Cherenkov radiation. They express confusion about the parallel nature of certain lines in the setup.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the geometric aspects of the problem, with one suggesting to consider the rays as coming from an infinite distance. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a diagram to clarify the situation, and one participant has provided a link to the problem statement and a solution, although the focus remains on understanding rather than directly solving the problem.

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The original poster indicates a lack of clarity due to the absence of a diagram, which is crucial for visualizing the problem. There is also a sense of urgency in finding a resolution, as indicated by one participant's request for timely assistance.

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Homework Statement


See here: http://www.jyu.fi/kastdk/olympiads/ (year 2008, theoretical question set 2, question 2)

Let us consider a beam of particles moving with velocity v>c/n, such that the angle θ is small, along a straight line IS. The beam crosses a concave spherical mirror of focal length and center C, at point S. SC makes with SI a small angle α. The particle beam creates a ring image in the focal plane of the mirror. Explain why with the help of a sketch illustrating this fact. Give the position of the center O and the radius of the ring image.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm puzzling over the solutions to no avail. Why is the line from C to the center of the ring parallel to the particles' trajectory? Why is the line from C to the top of the ring, and the line from C to the bottom of the ring, parallel to the Cherenkov radiation's wavefront? I feel like I must be missing something obvious...
 
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Does anybody have any idea? I have to figure this out pretty soon.
 
I could not find the question using your link. I cannot "see" the diagram from your description. It is too confusing without the diagram. Try to attach the diagram.
 
Stupid me; I forgot that "Copy Link Location" gives a direct URL. Here it is:

http://www.jyu.fi/kastdk/olympiads/2008/Theory_2_Problem.pdf

And here's the solution:

http://www.jyu.fi/kastdk/olympiads/2008/Theory_2_Solution.pdf
 
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Consider the situation in 2 dimensions, and consider all of the rays simultaneously. This is a geometry problem. Basically, it is as if the Cherenkov rays are coming in from infinite distance (because they are parallel), and so you just need to figure out where the mirror will focus them. You have two sets of rays to consider: the ones tilted upwards and the ones tilted downwards. The mirror will focus these two sets of rays to two separate points. Those two points are two opposite points on the ring.
 
Thanks! I was missing something very simple.
 

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