Geometry question with the perimeter of a circle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the distance from a point on the perimeter of a circle to another point on the perimeter, specifically from the top point of the circle. Participants explore the relationship between this distance and the angle from the tangent line at that point, as well as the use of trigonometric functions in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for a function that describes the distance from the top point of a circle to any other point on the perimeter, along with the angle from the tangent line.
  • Another participant introduces the obsolete trigonometric function ##crd(\theta)##, defined as $$2sin(\frac{\theta}{2})$$, and relates it to the distance calculation, suggesting that the distance is ##rcrd(\theta)## where ##r## is the radius and ##\theta## is the angle from the center of the circle.
  • There is a discussion about the clarity of using LaTeX for mathematical expressions, with suggestions on how to format functions and variables to avoid confusion.
  • Participants express enthusiasm for sharing knowledge about LaTeX and its application in mathematical writing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the ##crd(\theta)## function for distance calculation, but there is no consensus on the best way to format mathematical expressions in LaTeX. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the initial question about the function describing the distance and angle.

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Some limitations include the potential confusion in mathematical notation and the reliance on the definitions of trigonometric functions that may not be universally recognized. The discussion does not resolve the initial query about the function describing the distance and angle.

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say I have a circle with a diameter of d and there is a point at the top of the circle, p. I want to know the distance from point p to any other point on the perimeter and the angle θ from the tangent line of p. is there a function that will describe this?

I will try to put up a picture to better illustrate.
 
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Jathor said:
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You can't put up images this way. If the picture is small enough, under the editing window, under "Additional Options," click "Manage Attachments."
 
Yay I get to use some of my obscure math knowledge!

In the early days of trigonometry there were lots of different trig functions (Instead of the 3 main and 3 inverse functions we have now). Amongst these now-obsolete functions was a function ##crd(\theta)## (meaning chord).

##crd(\theta)## was defined as $$2sin(\frac{\theta}{2})$$
If r is the radius of your circle, the distance from the point at the top to any other point on the circle is ##rcrd(\theta)## where ##\theta## is the angle between the point at the top and the point you want to know the distance to as measured from the center of the circle. This angle can be related to the angle from the tangent line by simple geometry.

I hope this helps!
 
thanks Vorde, that helped a lot (: sorry i couldn't get the picture working but you got it.
 
Vorde said:
Yay I get to use some of my obscure math knowledge!

In the early days of trigonometry there were lots of different trig functions (Instead of the 3 main and 3 inverse functions we have now). Amongst these now-obsolete functions was a function ##crd(\theta)## (meaning chord).

##crd(\theta)## was defined as $$2sin(\frac{\theta}{2})$$
If r is the radius of your circle, the distance from the point at the top to any other point on the circle is ##rcrd(\theta)## where ##\theta## is the angle between the point at the top and the point you want to know the distance to as measured from the center of the circle. This angle can be related to the angle from the tangent line by simple geometry.

I hope this helps!

Some latex notes: it helps to distinguish functions from variables by making the names of functions non-italicized. For sine there is a built in function: \sin (there are similar ones for tangent, cosine, ln, etc). For non-standard functions, such as crd, you can use the \mbox command, e.g., \mbox{crd}.

This will render it as

[tex]\mbox{crd}\theta.[/tex]

I point this out because when you wrote "[itex]rcrd(\theta)[/itex]", I was momentarily confused, thinking that you were using a modified chord function there. [itex]r\mbox{crd}\theta[/itex] is immediately clear. ;) (Also, I am not using parentheses because the non-italicized names of functions makes it clear what's the function and what's the argument, at least in this case of just one argument).
 
That's awesome help!

I'm trying to teach myself as much latex as possible for ease of writing (I've been typing [itex][/ite... for 5 months until last week I figured out the #.# thing), thanks for the tip![/itex]
 
Mute said:
[tex]\mbox{crd}\theta.[/tex]

Even better would be to insert spaces. A slash followed by a comma, colon, or semicolon will give you a space, depending on the width. So instead of
[itex]rcrd(\theta)[/itex].
one could write
[itex]r\,\mbox{crd}\,\theta[/itex]. :wink:
 

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