Get Calculus Project Help for Optimization Problem | Can Shape | Problem 3

  • Thread starter Thread starter gtcox
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Calculus Project
Click For Summary
The discussion revolves around an optimization problem involving the shape of a can, specifically focusing on finding the most efficient dimensions for a can with a fixed volume. The user has successfully completed earlier problems but is struggling with problem 3, particularly with differentiating the function and understanding how the variables V, h, and r interact in the minimized expression. They recognize that h can be expressed in terms of V and r, but face confusion when substituting and differentiating, as the variables seem to reappear in the final expression. The user is seeking clarity on how to properly manage these variables to achieve the desired optimization. The complexity of the problem highlights the challenges of calculus in real-world applications.
gtcox
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
My class is doing an optimization problem, The shape of a can. I have attached a copy of the problem.

I have done problems 1 and 2 and now am stuck on problem 3.
What I've tried so far is to differentiate the function 4sqrt3 r^2 +2Pi rh +k(4Pir +h) with respect to r where h=v/Pir^2. I know that to optimize the function I have to set the derivative equal to zero and solve to find min/max but I have to show that when the expression is minimized it is equal to the third root of volume over the constant k. What baffles me is that all the variables V, h and r are in the minimized expression. How did that happen?
 

Attachments

Physics news on Phys.org
Is V a variable? It looks to me like this problem is asking for the most efficient dimensions for a can of a fixed volume- that is V is a constant. And since you also know that h= V/\pi r^2, you can replace h by that and have only r as a variable.
 
That's what I tried, but when you substitute for h and differentiate the result is in V, r and k. When the expression is minimized it is in terms of V,r,k,and h. I just don't know how all the h got back into the equation along with V. If i set the derivative equal to 0 and solve for V, then replace V with Pi(r^2)(h), the V dissapears. If i don't solve for V then I don't know how to get the h back into the equation. Am I making any sense?
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
905
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K