Getting the voltage to drop in a battery?

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The discussion revolves around creating a voltage divider using a 9.0-V battery to achieve a desired output of 3.5 V. The problem involves understanding the configuration of resistors, specifically 1.0-Ω resistors, to achieve this voltage drop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Ohm's law and voltage divider principles but expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the number of resistors and the voltage output. Some participants question the necessity of integer values for resistors and explore alternative configurations beyond simple series connections.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the voltage divider concept. There is a mix of algebraic reasoning and practical considerations being discussed, with some guidance offered on the relationship between total resistance and voltage output.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of needing to consider the total resistance of the load to ensure the correct voltage is delivered. The original poster also notes uncertainty about current in the circuit, which remains a point of discussion.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that you have a 9.0-V battery and wish to apply a voltage of only 3.5 V. Given an unlimited supply of 1.0-Ω resistors, how could you connect them to make a “voltage divider” that produces a 3.5-V output for a 9.0-V input
r=resistance of 1 resistor=1
R=Total resistance
v=3.5V

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V=IR

The Attempt at a Solution



Note: The correct answer is use 18 resistors and measure the voltage across 7.
I really have no idea how to do this...
The current has to be the same across one resistor as it is over the entire circuit.
V=IR
I=V/R=v/r
9V/R=v/1Ω=3.5V/(n*1Ω), where n is the number of resistors
I got to a point of 3.5/9 *R=n, and I plugged in their answers and it works, but so does using 36Ω total and 14 resistors. I just don;t know what to do with no current...

I've tried a lot to no avail, so not much of a point of posting it here.

Help please?
Thanks!

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Technically you also need to know the total resistance of the load - to make sure you deliver 3.5V to the load.
But the question just wants to have an open-circuit voltage of 3.5V - i.e. the volt-drop across some part of the circuit must be 3.5V

You can reason it out:
If you have 1 resistor - the the volt-drop across is it 9V ... too much.
If you used two of them, the volt drop across each one is 4.5V - promising.
Notice that the actual value of the resistors does not matter?

If you used 9 resistors, what is the volt drop across each one?
At this point the solution should present itself.If you prefer to do it algebraically - then consider you have a total of N 1-Ohm resistors in series with voltage V and you want the voltage across n<N of them to have voltage U.

This is the standard voltage divider circuit with two resistors ... one of n-Ohms and the other of (N-n)-Ohms.
U is taken across the n-Ohms resistor, giving relation:

V/U=N/n

Which means that (3.5)N=(9)n which means that 7N=18n which can be written (N/18)=(n/7)

One equation - 2 unknowns: need another equation!
This is where you got up to.

We do know more than that about N and n!
We know that N is minimum and both N and n are integers.
So what is the smallest integer value of N that allows n to be an integer in that relation?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
So what is the smallest integer value of N that allows n to be an integer in that relation?

Ydon't need integers. It's possible to make resistors of 11/2 and 7/2 ohm with only 12 resistors, or 11/3 and 7/3 with only 11.
 
willem2 said:
Ydon't need integers.
For N and n? (these were defined to be the number of resistors) ... no I suppose you could just saw a resistor in half and seat a new lead! ... you mean I don't need integer resistances ... then: no, this is correct.

It's possible to make resistors of 11/2 and 7/2 ohm with only 12 resistors, or 11/3 and 7/3 with only 11.
There are configurations of resistors other than series - that is correct.
But I did make a mistake though - N does not have to be minimum ;)

It is not what OP was asking about exactly but would make for a more elegant solution than the one provided :)
 

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