Getting up to speed - self-study/online/or in-person?

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The discussion revolves around the best methods for self-studying physics and mathematics, particularly for someone returning to these subjects after a significant hiatus. Participants explore options for online and in-person courses, as well as self-study resources, with a focus on calculus and introductory physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand physics at an undergraduate level without pursuing a degree, considering summer courses at UC Berkeley.
  • Several participants suggest that self-studying the calculus sequence is feasible.
  • One participant recommends using Stewart's calculus book for self-study, noting its suitability for physicists and engineers.
  • Another participant criticizes Stewart's book, advocating for Spivak and Apostol instead, though acknowledges they may be challenging for someone returning to school after a long break.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of different calculus textbooks, with mixed opinions on their difficulty and effectiveness for self-learners.
  • One participant shares their positive experience with Stewart's book while self-teaching calculus before returning to school.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that self-study is possible, but there is disagreement regarding the best resources and methods for studying calculus, particularly concerning the suitability of different textbooks.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express concerns about the difficulty of certain calculus texts for individuals who have struggled with the subject in the past. The discussion does not resolve which textbook is definitively better for self-study.

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Getting up to speed -- self-study/online/or in-person?

At Berkeley, 15 years ago, I took mechanics 7a (one semester of Physics for Scientists and Engineers - Giancoli textbook) and second semester calculus (1b). I gave up physics/math at that point.

Now I'm interested in studying physics again, just for my own edification. No intention of going to grad school, but I'd like to have an understanding of physics at the level of someone who's completed an undergraduate degree in physics.

I live near UC Berkeley. For the next few years, it will be difficult for me to take in-person classes during the school year, but one summer course per year is probably doable. Online classes are probably doable during the year.

I'm trying to decide what to take this summer at Berkeley. I am debating between Math 53 (multivariable calculus) and Physics 7b (E&M). I see several possible ways of doing it:

1. Review single variable calculus and self-study multivariable calculus over the Winter/Spring in preparation for 7b in the summer
2. Review single variable calculus in the winter, take an online course in multivariable calculus in the spring (at netmath.uiuc.edu, unless someone knows someplace better) and take 7b in the summer
3. Review single variable calculus in the Winter/Spring and take Math 53 over the summer

I'm probably stronger in physics than math (I got an "A" in 7a long ago, but switched math 1b to p/np because I wasn't getting an A (probably would have gotten a B in the course).

In the end, I am not training to be a physicist, or to teach physics, I just want to understand it.
 
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you can definitely study the calc sequence on your own.
 
ice109 said:
you can definitely study the calc sequence on your own.

I agree with this. Get a book like Stewart that seems to be great for physicists/engineers and you would do fine. Also, in light of another active thread, it may be a good idea to take classes with lab components (such as the fundamental physics classes) during the summer, if that is the only time you can attend a class. Online courses may be fine for theory classes, however.
 
stewart is balls. calculus by spivak and then calculus by apostol
 
ice109 said:
stewart is balls. calculus by spivak and then calculus by apostol

Spivak and Apostol are certainly great books. But, for someone that is going back to school after 15 years that had problems with calculus before, they may be a bit much. I also do not see the problem with Stewart for someone who wants to do undergraduate physics.
 
bravernix said:
Spivak and Apostol are certainly great books. But, for someone that is going back to school after 15 years that had problems with calculus before, they may be a bit much. I also do not see the problem with Stewart for someone who wants to do undergraduate physics.

Spivak is actually not a bad book to self study from, in my opinion.
 

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