Give an example where H is not a subgroup.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a set H defined as H = { a in G | a^2=1} within the context of an abelian group G. Participants are tasked with demonstrating whether H is a subgroup and providing a counterexample where H fails to be a subgroup.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the necessary conditions for H to be a subgroup, including closure under multiplication and the presence of inverses. There are attempts to apply the definition of a subgroup to the specific case of H. Some participants question the validity of using Z+_(4) as a counterexample, while others explore the implications of the abelian property on their reasoning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in clarifying the subgroup criteria and examining specific examples. There is no explicit consensus on the counterexample, and multiple interpretations of the properties of H are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of groups and subgroups, particularly in the context of abelian groups. There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the structure of Z+_(4) and its relation to the subgroup criteria.

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Homework Statement


If G is an abelian group, show that H = { a in G | a^2=1} is a subgroup of G.
Give an example where H is not a subgroup.


The Attempt at a Solution



For showing H is a subgroup of G, hh' in G and h^-1 in G.
(a^2)(a^2) in G also a = a^-1 in G so H is a subgroup of G.. right?

counterexample is Z+_(4) = {0,1,2,3,4}.. right?

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To show that H is a subgroup you need to show that it's closed under multiplication under H, take h,h' in H then you need to show that (hh')^2=1 which is game in the pond.
The same goes for h^-1 and 1.

For an example where Z+_(4) well if it's Z/4Z then no, cause it doesn't satisfy a+a=0.
 


so.. If a = hh', then hh' in H
and (hh')^2 = a^2 = 1 in H... ?
 


Not really, (hh')^2=hh'hh'=h^2h'^2 for the last equality I used G being abelian.
 

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