Given acceleration relation, find variables

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The problem involves the acceleration of a particle defined by the relation a=0.4(1-kV), where k is a constant. The particle starts from rest at a position of 4m and has a velocity of 4 m/s at t=15s. Participants are tasked with determining the constant k, the position when the velocity is 6 m/s, and the maximum velocity of the particle.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the differential equation formed from the acceleration relation and explore methods such as separation of variables for solving it. Some express confusion about their calculations and the integration process, while others suggest numerical methods or approximations to find k.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to solve for k and the subsequent position and maximum velocity. Some participants have provided guidance on numerical methods and approximations, while others are still grappling with the integration steps and calculations.

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Participants note challenges with integration and the potential for errors in their calculations. There is mention of specific values and substitutions that may not align, indicating a need for careful verification of steps taken.

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Homework Statement


The acceleration of a particle is defined by the relation a=0.4(1-kV), where k is a constant. Knowing t=0 the particle starts from rest at x=4m and that when t=15s, V=4 m/s, determine...
a)the constant k
b)the postion when V=6m/s
c) the maximum velocity of the particle


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a=0.4(1-kV)
0.4(1-kV)=dV/dt...im lost after this, can someone just simply point me in the right direction.
 
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talaroue said:


a=0.4(1-kV)
0.4(1-kV)=dV/dt...im lost after this, can someone just simply point me in the right direction.


This is a differential equation for v, you can solve it by separation of variables:

\int{\frac{dv}{1-kv}=\int{0.4 dt}

ehild
 
let me see if I can take it from here if I can't ill post what work I have done.
 
I am stuck again, I solved the right side of the equation you created and got .6s. But on the left side i solved by substitution. Where u=1-kV du=k dV so the left side becomes...

(1/k)ln(1-kV) over the intgral of V0=0 V1=4 m/s ...after everything cancels i have (1/k)(ln4k)=.6 is this right? Sorry if it is hard to follow.
 
which is wrong because those sides do not equal each other when I plug in a number for k
 
i tried solving without using u, and i got ln(0) at one point which is impossible to solve so i am once again stuck.
 
You need the function v(t) to get x(t). Integrate with respect to v between 0 and v(t), and between 0 and t on the right side.

<br /> \int_{0}^{v(t)}{\frac{dv}{1-kv}=-\frac{1}{k}(\ln(1-kv(t))-\ln(1-0))=0.4t<br />



<br /> -1/k\ln(1-kv(t))=0.4t\rightarrow 1-kv(t)=\exp(-0.4kt)\rightarrow v(t)=1/k(1-\exp(-0.4kt))<br />

At t=15 s, v=4 m/s, so 4=1/k(1- exp(-6k)), k=0.25(1-exp(-6k)) It is a bit tricky, to get k from here. Apply some numerical method.


ehild
 
There are two things you can do from here:
1) Solve for k numerically via computer box
or
2) You can get an approximation by expanding the exponential with a Taylor Series.
e^{-0.4 k *15} \approx 1 - 0.4 k*15 + \frac{(-0.4 k*15 )^2}{2}
Throw this in your eq. and you should get a decent approximation for k.
 
it is: k=0.1458...

ehild
 
  • #10
I was right, i just couldn't figure out how to solve. That mkes me feel better! Thanks for everything you guys!
 
  • #11
for the second part I am stuck...here is my work... this is problem 11.25
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  • #12
I do not understand your last line. It is all right up to then.

After integration, you got:

0.4x-1.6=1/k^2[1-kv-ln(1-kv)]_0^6

Substitute first v=6, then v=0, and subtract. But how did you get that 48.32?

1-6k-ln(1-6k)=0.1258+2.07317=2.1989, and divided by k^2: 103.6

ehild
 

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