Given general term - find limits and comparison

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the sequence defined as ##a_n=\frac 1 2+\frac 1 3+...+\frac 1 n##, particularly in relation to its limits and comparisons with integrals. Participants are exploring the convergence or divergence of this series and its relationship to logarithmic functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the relationship between the series and integrals, questioning the validity of various options regarding convergence and limits. There is discussion about approximating the series with integrals and the implications of the harmonic number.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the divergence of the series, while others are clarifying their understanding of the limits involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the series and logarithmic functions, with some guidance provided on comparing the series to integrals.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a multiple-choice question format, which may influence their approach to the problem. There is a mention of a lack of a closed form for the series, and some participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Let ##\displaystyle a_n=\frac 1 2+\frac 1 3+...+\frac 1 n##. Then

A)##a_n## is less than ##\displaystyle \int_2^n\frac{dx}{x}##.

B)##a_n## is greater than ##\displaystyle \int_1^n\frac{dx}{x}##.

C)##\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \frac{a_n}{\ln n}=1##

D)##\displaystyle \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} a_n## is finite.

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The Attempt at a Solution


To my knowledge, there is no known closed form for the given ##a_n##.

I am clueless about the right approach so I started with ##n=2##. For n=2, ##a_2=0.5##

Also,
$$\int_2^2 \frac{dx}{x}=0$$
and
$$\int_1^2 \frac{dx}{x}=\ln 2 \approx 0.693$$
Obviously, A and B are not the answers.

How do I check for other options?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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D is not correct the series is diverging. C is basically saying that a(n) = ln(n) if n becomes large is that correct?
 
dirk_mec1 said:
D is not correct the series is diverging. C is basically saying that a(n) = ln(n) if n becomes large is that correct?

I don't have the answers at the moment, I will have them by tomorrow.

Can you please explain how do you get the series to be diverging?

Thanks!
 
Think about comparing the series with approximating sums for the integrals in A and B.
 
LCKurtz said:
Think about comparing the series with approximating sums for the integrals in A and B.

I am not sure if I understand your statement but do you ask me this:
$$a_n=\int_2^n \frac{dx}{x}$$
?
 
LCKurtz said:
Think about comparing the series with approximating sums for the integrals in A and B.

Pranav-Arora said:
I am not sure if I understand your statement but do you ask me this:
$$a_n=\int_2^n \frac{dx}{x}$$
?

Yes. Think about approximating that with rectangles and see if you can relate it to your series.
 
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LCKurtz said:
Yes. Think about approximating that with rectangles and see if you can relate it to your series.

Thanks LCKrutz! :)

I just found the wiki page on the given series titled "Harmonic Number" and it contains a nice sketch of approximation using rectangles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_number

Getting back to the question, as ##n\rightarrow \infty##,
$$a_n=\ln n-\ln 2$$
##a_n## is obviously not finite. That leaves us with option C.

$$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \frac{a_n}{\ln n}=\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \frac{\ln n-\ln 2}{\ln n}=\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} 1-\frac{\ln 2}{\ln n}=1$$
Hence, C is correct, thanks a lot LCKurtz! :smile:
 
What is the exact statement of the problem? Is it a True-False type question?

[Edit] I see you answered that question while I was posting it.
 
LCKurtz said:
What is the exact statement of the problem? Is it a True-False type question?

What I wrote is the exact wording of the problem statement but I should have been more clear. The problem is from a test paper belonging to the section which consists of multiple choice questions. I have to select the correct options.
 

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