Determine Convergence/Divergence of Sequence: f(x)=ln(x)^2/x

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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence or divergence of the sequence defined by \( a_n = \frac{\ln(n)^2}{n} \). Participants explore the behavior of the function \( f(x) = \frac{\ln(x)^2}{x} \) as \( x \) approaches infinity, particularly through the application of L'Hôpital's rule.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants discuss the application of L'Hôpital's rule and question its validity in this context. Others suggest clarifying the notation used for the logarithmic function to avoid ambiguity. There are also inquiries about the interpretation of the limit and the steps involved in applying L'Hôpital's rule.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. There is a focus on clarifying the application of L'Hôpital's rule and the notation used in the problem. While some guidance has been offered regarding the application of mathematical principles, there is no explicit consensus on the approach taken.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the notation used for logarithmic expressions, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. Additionally, there is mention of the need for further explanation regarding the application of L'Hôpital's rule and its prerequisites.

  • #31
I'm simply amazed at the apparent impossibility of isolating ##n## in
$$
\big| \frac{ 2 ln(n)}{n}\big| \lt \varepsilon
$$
and the impossibility of Squeezing ##\frac{2 ln (n)}{n}## properly. There is no function that I can think of which does the job.

I do not know if the following proof is rigorous, but I present it still:
$$
\begin{flalign*}
a_n = \frac{ 2 ln(n) }{n} \\
A_n = e^{a_n} = (e^{ln(n)})^{2/n} = (n^{1/n})^2\\
\lim A_n = \lim n^{1/n} \cdot \lim n^{1/n} = 1\\
\lim e^{a_n} = 1 \\
\textrm{As}~e^x~\textrm{is a continuous function, we have} \\
\lim a_n = a_0 \implies \lim e^{a_n} = e^{a_0} = 1 \implies a_0 = 0 \\
\textrm{Thus,} ~~\lim a_n = 0\\
\end{flalign*}
$$
 
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  • #32
vela said:
This argument doesn't really work. Suppose instead we assume ##n=1## instead of ##n=3##. The rest of the argument would remain unchanged, but it would be wrong to conclude the sequence is decreasing after ##n=1##.

Your assumption is that the sequence isn't decreasing for all ##n > 3##. The contradiction tells you the sequence decreases for some ##n > 3##. That's not the same as saying the sequence decreases for all ##n > 3##.
@Hall you did not respond to this...i would be interested on your view on this...
 
  • #33
chwala said:
@fresh_42 ...you had mentioned in my other post that I cannot use L' Hopital's rule...kindly clarify...cheers.
The rule is applicable for differentiable functions. You can conclude with L'Hopital that
<br /> \lim _{x\to\infty} \frac{\ln x^2}{x} = 0.<br />
In the discrete case this is also true due to continuity.

You should be careful, though. You claimed something like
<br /> \lim _{x\to a} f(x) = L \Rightarrow (a_n \to a \Rightarrow \lim _n f(a_n) = L).<br />
This is true for continuous functions. To be more precise, the function of interest has to be continuous around the point of convergence. In the event ##x\to\infty##, it should be that ##f## is continuous from some point onward.
 
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  • #34
nuuskur said:
The rule is applicable for differentiable functions. You can conclude with L'Hopital that
<br /> \lim _{x\to\infty} \frac{\ln x^2}{x} = 0.<br />
In the discrete case this is also true due to continuity.

You should be careful, though. You claimed something like
<br /> \lim _{x\to a} f(x) = L \Rightarrow (a_n \to a \Rightarrow \lim _n f(a_n) = L).<br />
This is true for continuous functions. To be more precise, the function of interest has to be continuous around the point of convergence. In the event ##x\to\infty##, it should be that ##f## is continuous from some point onward.
You state that the rule applies to differentiable functions? This function is not continous at ##x=0##, do we still consider it as a differentiable function?

In my understanding, if a function is not continous then it is not differentiable.
 
  • #35
chwala said:
You state that the rule applies to differentiable functions? This function is not continous at ##x=0##, do we still consider it as a differentiable function?

In my understanding, if a function is not continous then it is not differentiable.

The limit is being taken as x \to \infty; the behaviour of the function at x = 0 is of no consequence.
 
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