Global Warming/Climate Change: How Serious is the Threat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived seriousness of global warming and climate change, exploring various opinions on its potential impacts and the urgency of the issue. Participants express their views through a poll, while also engaging in a broader conversation about the implications of climate change on society, resources, and international relations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a belief that global warming is not serious at all.
  • Others argue that if global warming is occurring and leads to reduced food supply and severe weather, it is a serious issue, contingent on global responses.
  • There are concerns about the potential for significant population declines in densely populated areas with limited resources due to competition for those resources.
  • Some participants suggest that the severity of climate change impacts is conditional on the behavior of nations, particularly those with high resource consumption.
  • A few participants mention the need for more nuanced options in the poll, indicating a preference for a scale between moderate and grave concerns.
  • There are references to other environmental issues, such as water scarcity, being potentially more catastrophic than global warming.
  • Some participants question the adequacy of data available to make definitive predictions about climate change impacts.
  • Concerns are raised about the influence of industry-funded think tanks on public perception and policy regarding climate change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the seriousness of climate change. Some believe it is a pressing issue, while others downplay its significance or question the data supporting predictions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in data availability, particularly in certain regions, and the influence of political and corporate agendas on the discussion surrounding climate change.

How serious do you believe "global warming/climate change" will be?

  • There is no concern; the change will be minimal and insignificant in our lifetime.

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Minor concern; changes will be measureable but slow enough so that we will adapt easily.

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Moderate concern; changes will be severe in some places but the human race will continue as always.

    Votes: 16 57.1%
  • Grave concern; severe changes all over the globe. Huge decrease in human population.

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Total voters
    28
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I am seriously curious as to our collective opinion on this "devisive" issue. I am hoping people will vote according to their informed opinion (rather than what they hope is true, or what the pundits of their political persuasions are saying). The poll comes in two parts. This is part one.

Do not consider the cause/reason while selecting from these options. Here's the question:

How SERIOUS do you believe "global warming/climate change" will be?

(Why can't I edit the poll title?)

THis is NOT a political poll. So please keep the tone objective and non-inflamitory.
 
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Not at all serious.
 
Hey, wait for me to finish the poll!
 
Chi Meson said:
How SERIOUS do you believe "golbal warming/climate change" will be?
Well, assuming that global warming is occurring, and it is responsible for a reduction in food supply and increase in violent or catastrophic weather, then it is a serious problem.

http://www.climatehotmap.org/

I selected moderate, but I'd acutally prefer an option between moderate and grave. The gravity depends upon the response of the global community. Nations which consume a disproportionate share of the natural resources will invite retaliation of other nations.

The global population will not necessarily decrease, but it could depending upon resource allocation.

Humanity cannot continue as it has, i.e. without some restraint on the utilization of energy and other resources.
 
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^^

Due to the limit of characters I had to remove the key phrases "overall" and "with some changes in lifestyle" from the third option.
 
Why do you have "severe change" listed as only a "moderate concern" because, "the human race will continue as always"? That's not very moderate at all.
 
Rach3 said:
Why do you have "severe change" listed as only a "moderate concern" because, "the human race will continue as always"? That's not very moderate at all.

"Severe changes in some places" implying that there will be other locations where no significant changes will occur. In any populated location where such severe changes occur the situation will be grave, I'm sure.
 
Those areas with largest population densities, but lesser resources will likely experience significant population declines, or at least a reduction in the standard of living or quality of life.

IF competition for scarce resources increases, then wars become more likely.

Much of what will happen is so conditional upon the behavior of large groups of people that it is difficult to accurately predict future trends. What if China and India attempt to achieve the per capita consumption of the US? The world's resources would be rapidly depeleted.

In the face of deprivation, the behavior of some/many often becomes predatory. I have observed this in totalitarian societies.
 
Astronuc said:
I selected moderate, but I'd acutally prefer an option between moderate and grave.

Same here.
 
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There is more reason to be concerned about the forecasted http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/Calen/Landscheidt-1.html in the little ice age.

Unfortunately, a bit more CO2 in the atmoshere is too weak a greenhouse effect to compensate for that. We need more suvs :wink:
 
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I picked three, but would have preferred another selection between moderate and severe.

Although there are other environmental problems that may be even more of a factor than global warming. Lack of fresh water in the future will be more catastrophic than global warming, although drought conditions are worsening as a result of global warming.
 
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Andre said:
There is more reason to be concerned about the forecasted http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/Calen/Landscheidt-1.html in the little ice age.

Unfortunately, a bit more CO2 in the atmoshere is too weak a greenhouse effect to compensate for that. We need more suvs :wink:

Sorry, if you want to impress me with a study, you must provide a link to a reputable website, not one with a political/corporate agenda.
 
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Astronuc said:
Nations which consume a disproportionate share of the natural resources will invite retaliation of other nations.

So, I guess us Canadians and Americans are screwed. We suck up so much energy it's ridiculous.
 
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What about for those that don't think there is enough data to bring us to a conclusion prediction?
 
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Mk said:
What about for those that don't think there is enough data to bring us to a conclusion prediction?

It's not about prediction, this poll. It's about how concerned you are right now about this issue. If you are not concerned, then pick option 1.
 
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Mk said:
What about for those that don't think there is enough data to bring us to a conclusion prediction?

I would say that most would agree that there is not yet sufficient data, especially in the southern hemisphere. But there is enough evidence to warrant action. That is why despite the best efforts of the industry funded think-tanks to cast doubt, world leaders are beginning to take action.
 

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