Going from dy/dx + P(x)y = Q(x)y^n to du/dx + (1-n)P(x) u = (1-n)Q(x)

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The discussion revolves around transforming a Bernoulli differential equation of the form dy/dx + P(x) y = Q(x) y^n into a different form involving a substitution u = y^(1 - n). Participants are exploring the steps necessary to achieve this transformation and the errors encountered along the way.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the substitution u = y^(1 - n) and its implications for the derivatives and the original equation. There are attempts to derive the correct form of the equation after substitution, with some questioning specific algebraic manipulations and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified errors in the algebraic steps taken during the transformation process. There is ongoing clarification regarding the relationship between y and u, and how to correctly express dy/dx in terms of u. One participant indicates they have resolved their confusion, suggesting progress in the discussion.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for deriving the transformation. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the variables involved and ensuring the correct application of the substitution method.

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Homework Statement


There's this problem I'm presented with that has a part before asking the question which states a fact and, I want to be able to derive that fact.

I want to go from

dy/dx + P(x) y = Q(x) y^n

to

du/dx + (1 - n) P(x) u = (1 - n) Q(x).

Homework Equations


Bernoulli differential equation process, u = y^(1 - n)

The Attempt at a Solution


u = y^(1 – n), du/dx = (1 – n) y^(-n) dy/dx, u^(n – 1) = y, y^n = u^(n^2 – n)

dy/dx + P(x) y = Q(x) y^n

du/dx 1/(n – 1) y^n + P(x) u^(n – 1) = Q(x) u^(n^2 – n)

du/dx y^n + (1 – n) P(x) u^(n – 1) = (1 – n) Q(x) u^(n^2 – n)

du/dx u^(n^2 – n) + (1 – n) P(x) u^(n – 1) = Q(x) u^(n^2 – n)

du/dx + (1 – n) P(x) u^(-n^2 + 2n – 1) = (1 – n) Q(x)

but, instead, I should be getting

du/dx + (1 – n) P(x) u = (1 – n) Q(x).

What am I doing wrong?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Hi s3a,
s3a said:


The Attempt at a Solution


u = y^(1 – n), du/dx = (1 – n) y^(-n) dy/dx, u^(n – 1) = y, y^n = u^(n^2 – n)


The error is there.
 
Thanks for pointing out which part was wrong but, via "reverse engineering", I think it should be u^(n^2 - n + 1) but, looking at u = y^(1 - n), I get u^(1/(1 - n)) = y.

What do I do now?
 
s3a said:
Thanks for pointing out which part was wrong but, via "reverse engineering", I think it should be u^(n^2 - n + 1) but, looking at u = y^(1 - n), I get u^(1/(1 - n)) = y.

What do I do now?

##y = u^{\frac{1}{1-n}}## is correct. Now you have ##\frac{dy}{dx},\,\,y\,\,\text{and}\,\,y^n## all in terms of ##u## and ##\frac{du}{dx}##, so sub them into your original equation and simplify.
 
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Sorry for still not getting it.

Here's my latest work.:

dy/dx + P(x) y = Q(x) y^n

du/dx y^n / (1 – n) + P(x) u^(1/(1 – n)) = Q(x) u^(n^2 – n)

du/dx u^(n^2 – n) + (1 – n) P(x) ^(1/(1 – n)) = (1 – n) Q(x) u^(n^2 – n)

du/dx + (1 – n) P(x) u^[(n^2 – n)/(1 – n)] = (1 – n) Q(x)

du/dx + (1 – n) P(x) u^[-n(1 – n)/(1 – n)] = (1 – n) Q(x)

du/dx + (1 – n) P(x) u^(-n) = (1 – n) Q(x)
 
You appear to still have the expression for y in terms of u incorrect.
If ##u = y^{1-n}## then ##u^{1/(1-n)} = \left(y^{1-n}\right)^{1/(1-n)} = y## as you mentioned in your last post.

How did you get ##y = u^{n^2 -n}##?
 
Actually, I solved it, now!

Thanks! :)
 

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