Gradient operator of a function

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The discussion revolves around the gradient operator of a function defined as f(x)=x^3+y^3+z^3-3xyz. Participants are tasked with finding the gradient and identifying specific points related to its orientation and magnitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the gradient and express confusion regarding the concepts of orthogonality and parallelism in relation to the gradient vector. Questions arise about how to determine when the gradient is orthogonal to the z-axis or parallel to the x-axis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully computed the gradient but are uncertain about the implications of its orientation. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of the dot product to test for parallelism and perpendicularity, and there is an ongoing exploration of whether the point (0,0,0) is the only solution for when the gradient equals zero.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of familiarity with the theoretical background necessary to interpret the conditions of orthogonality and parallelism, which may affect their ability to solve the problem fully. There is an acknowledgment that additional solutions may exist beyond the identified point where the gradient is zero.

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(1) Let f(x)=x^3+y^3+z^3-3xyz, Find grad(f).

grad(f)=(3x^2-3yz, 3y^2-3xz, 3z^2-3xy).

(2) Identify the points at which grad(f) is
a) orthogonal to the z-axis
b) parallel to the x-axis
c) zero.I have managed to solve for (1), but don't have a clue how to solve for the second part. I have not come across about the theory of "orthogonal to z-axis" and "parallel to x-axis", tried to look up on the internet but still quite confused.

However, for (c) I have come up with something like grad(f)=(3x^2-3yz, 3y^2-3xz, 3z^2-3xy)=(0,0,0), so the points at which grad(f)=0 are (0,0,0). Is that right?
 
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bubokribuck said:
(1) Let f(x)=x^3+y^3+z^3-3xyz, Find grad(f).

grad(f)=(3x^2-3yz, 3y^2-3xz, 3z^2-3xy).

(2) Identify the points at which grad(f) is
a) orthogonal to the z-axis
b) parallel to the x-axis
c) zero.


I have managed to solve for (1), but don't have a clue how to solve for the second part. I have not come across about the theory of "orthogonal to z-axis" and "parallel to x-axis", tried to look up on the internet but still quite confused.

Do you know how to test whether two vectors are parallel or perpendicular?

However, for (c) I have come up with something like grad(f)=(3x^2-3yz, 3y^2-3xz, 3z^2-3xy)=(0,0,0), so the points at which grad(f)=0 are (0,0,0). Is that right?

Certainly that point works. But without seeing what you did, I don't know if you know whether or not that is the only point that works.
 
LCKurtz said:
Do you know how to test whether two vectors are parallel or perpendicular?
Yes, I know that if
1) a and b are parallel, axb=0
2) a and b are perpendicular, axb=|a||b|n

But in the past I have been given specific vectors like a=(1,2,3) b=(5,3,2). This time, I've only been given statements such as "orthogonal to z-axix", and I really don't have a clue what that actually means.

Let's say, for example, if grad(f) is vector a, so what will vector b be? This is where I'm stuck.
Certainly that point works. But without seeing what you did, I don't know if you know whether or not that is the only point that works.

I actually didn't quite understand the question, but guessed that if grad(f)=0, then it's pretty obvious that
3x^2−3yz=0
3y^2−3xz=0
3z^2−3xy=0

simplify them and you get
x^2−yz=0
y^2−xz=0
z^2−xy=0

therefore x=0, y=0, z=0.

This is what I thought, but I might be wrong though.
 
bubokribuck said:
Yes, I know that if
1) a and b are parallel, axb=0
2) a and b are perpendicular, axb=|a||b|n

(2) isn't a test for perpendicularity. What is the dot product test?

But in the past I have been given specific vectors like a=(1,2,3) b=(5,3,2). This time, I've only been given statements such as "orthogonal to z-axix", and I really don't have a clue what that actually means.

Can you find a vector in the direction of the z axis? Then use the dot product test and see what works.

I actually didn't quite understand the question, but guessed that if grad(f)=0, then it's pretty obvious that
3x^2−3yz=0
3y^2−3xz=0
3z^2−3xy=0

simplify them and you get
x^2−yz=0
y^2−xz=0
z^2−xy=0

therefore x=0, y=0, z=0.

This is what I thought, but I might be wrong though.

You can't say "therefore x=0, y=0, z=0" unless you know (0,0,0) is the only solution. Just because it obviously works doesn't mean it is the only solution. You have to work with those equations to either show that is the only solution or find any others that there might be. In this case, you will find others.
 

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