Graduate program while employed by National Lab

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around pursuing a PhD while employed at a national lab, specifically focusing on the experiences and insights related to applying to national labs, the nature of PhD programs associated with them, and the pros and cons of working in such environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in pursuing a PhD in optics and seeks advice on applying to national labs, indicating a lack of familiarity with these institutions.
  • Another participant clarifies that national labs do not grant degrees but may allow PhD research to be conducted there, often in collaboration with a university advisor.
  • A different participant suggests that national labs might offer support for advanced degrees, such as grants or leave of absence, highlighting their connections with universities.
  • A staff scientist at a national lab shares their experience, noting that PhD students can conduct most of their research at the lab and that collaboration with degree-granting institutions is essential.
  • This staff scientist also contrasts their positive experience at the national lab with previous industry work, emphasizing a more supportive environment and a sense of meaningful contribution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present varying perspectives on the nature of PhD programs at national labs and the support available for students. There is no consensus on the specifics of how national labs facilitate advanced degrees, indicating ongoing uncertainty and differing interpretations of the processes involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of collaborations between national labs and universities, as well as the specific arrangements for PhD students, remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the extent of support or the exact mechanisms through which national labs assist in obtaining advanced degrees.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering a PhD while working at a national lab, those interested in the differences between academia, industry, and national lab careers, and prospective students exploring their options for graduate studies in physics or engineering.

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I will be graduating with a BA in physics and BS in Electrical Engineering in May. I want an optics PhD. I attended an info session on Sandia National Labs at my university, and the recruiters made me think about a PhD program through a national lab. If someone has experience with the National Labs, I would appreciate some advice on applying to a national lab, and the pros and cons of National Lab careers.

All my experience has been with academia and private sector; I have no understanding of these national labs.
 
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National Labs do not grant degrees. Most or all have programs where you can do your PhD research there, usually on the same experiment your advisior is working on there. In other cases, sometimes an arrangement can be made where the student's de factor (and sometimes de jure) advisor is a lab staff scientist.
 
Perhaps you misunderstood what was said. The national lab at Sandia may provide assistance to you in some form should you decide to seek an advanced degree while in their employ. This assistance could come in the form of a grant to cover the cost, a leave of absence in order to pursue your studies, or something else. After all, these labs maintain close contact with various universities.
 
If you get a fellowship, you can do most of your research at a National Lab. Otherwise, you need for the lab to hook you up with a professor at a degree granting institution the lab collaborates with.

I work at a National Lab as a staff scientist. The group I'm in currently has two Ph.D. students. They are both matriculated at universities where we collaborate and they spend about 50 - 75% of their time here at the lab.

I absolutely love working at a National Lab. I worked in industry for 7 years post-PhD before I came to the lab. Industry is brutal, the lab is much more friendly and I feel like I'm doing important work which I like.
 

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