Graph Theory: Finding the number of vertices

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The discussion revolves around a graph theory problem involving the calculation of the number of vertices in various scenarios based on given edges and vertex degrees. The original poster presents three specific cases to analyze.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants examine the calculations made by the original poster, noting discrepancies with textbook answers. They question the validity of the book's responses, particularly in case (c), and explore the implications of the degree and edge constraints in graph theory.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the reasoning behind the calculations, with some participants suggesting that the textbook may contain errors. The discussion is focused on clarifying assumptions and interpretations of the problem rather than reaching a consensus on a solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations regarding the number of edges and vertex degrees in simple graphs, indicating that the problem may have constraints not explicitly stated in the original question.

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Homework Statement


1. How many vertices will the following graphs have if they contain:
(a) 12 edges and all vertices of degree 3.
(b) 21 edges, three vertices of degree 4, and the other vertices of degree 3.
(c) 24 edges and all vertices of the same degree.

Homework Equations



"Theorem 1
In any graph, the sum of the degrees of all vertices is equal to twice the number of
edges."

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
a) 12*2=24
3v=24
v=8
(textbook answer: 12)

b)
21*2=42

3*4 + 3v = 42
12+3v =42
3v=30
v=10
add the other 3 given vertices, and the total number of vertices is 13
(textbook answer: 9)

c) 24*2=48
48 is divisible by 1,2,3,4,6,8,12,16,24,48
Thus those would be the possible answers

(textbook answer: 8 or 10 or 20 or 40.)
 
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Your reasoning looks sound.
The book's answers do not seem to match the questions.
This is easiest to see for (c), as a 24-sided polygon has 24 edges and 24 vertices of degree 2. That 24-gon satisfies the question but 24 is not amongst the book's list of possible values.
Is it possible that there is more to the question than can be seen here? Is the statement of the question in the OP exactly the same as in the book?
 
andrewkirk said:
Your reasoning looks sound.
The book's answers do not seem to match the questions.
This is easiest to see for (c), as a 24-sided polygon has 24 edges and 24 vertices of degree 2. That 24-gon satisfies the question but 24 is not amongst the book's list of possible values.
Is it possible that there is more to the question than can be seen here? Is the statement of the question in the OP exactly the same as in the book?
I copy pasted it. I mean none of the book really makes any sense. It seems you're better off flipping a coin or using a random number generator than figuring it out.
 
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UltimateSomni said:

Homework Statement


1. How many vertices will the following graphs have if they contain:
(a) 12 edges and all vertices of degree 3.
(b) 21 edges, three vertices of degree 4, and the other vertices of degree 3.
(c) 24 edges and all vertices of the same degree.

Homework Equations



"Theorem 1
In any graph, the sum of the degrees of all vertices is equal to twice the number of
edges."

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
a) 12*2=24
3v=24
v=8
(textbook answer: 12)

b)
21*2=42

3*4 + 3v = 42
12+3v =42
3v=30
v=10
add the other 3 given vertices, and the total number of vertices is 13
(textbook answer: 9)

c) 24*2=48
48 is divisible by 1,2,3,4,6,8,12,16,24,48
Thus those would be the possible answers

(textbook answer: 8 or 10 or 20 or 40.)
a and b look correct but there are some limits for the number of edges and the degree in a graph of N nodes. I think the book meant simple graphs. How do you imagine a graph with 1 vertex and 24 edges?
 
ehild said:
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a and b look correct but there are some limits for the number of edges and the degree in a graph of N nodes. I think the book meant simple graphs. How do you imagine a graph with 1 vertex and 24 edges?
Okay, you're right some of my answers for c don't make sense. But neither do 10 or 40.
 
UltimateSomni said:
Okay, you're right some of my answers for c don't make sense. But neither do 10 or 40.
The book is wrong.
What is your answer to question c?
 

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