Graphing definite integral functions

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The discussion revolves around graphing definite integral functions, specifically focusing on the functions $$\int_0^x\sqrt{|tan(w)|} dw$$ and $$\int_0^\sqrt{x} e^{t^2} dt$$. Participants explore techniques for finding derivatives of these integrals and their implications for graphing, including the use of the fundamental theorem of calculus and considerations of limits of integration.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the first and second derivatives to sketch graphs of the given integral functions.
  • There is discussion about applying the derivative form of the fundamental theorem of calculus to find first derivatives, with some uncertainty about how to handle limits of integration.
  • One participant proposes a method for differentiating the function $$G(\sqrt{x})$$, but expresses confusion about the application of the chain rule.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the chain rule when differentiating functions defined by integrals with variable limits.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of the functions, including critical points, increasing/decreasing intervals, and concavity.
  • Participants discuss the impact of the lower limit of integration on the domain and behavior of the function, with some suggesting it acts as a vertical shift.
  • There is a specific inquiry about how to handle absolute values in the context of the first derivative of the integral involving $$\sqrt{|tan(w)|}$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the application of the fundamental theorem of calculus and the handling of limits of integration. There is no clear consensus on the best approach to graphing the functions or on the implications of the lower limit of integration.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the lower limit of integration does not affect the calculation of the first derivative but may influence the domain of the function. There are also discussions about the complexity introduced by absolute values in the derivatives.

Bueno
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Hi, how are you?

I came across some exercises that really puzzled me. They ask me to graph the following functions:
$$
a) \int_0^x\sqrt{|tan(w)|} dw
$$

$$
b)\int_0^\sqrt{x} e^{t^2}$$I imagine I'll have to use derivative techniques as I would when graphing a "normal" function, but those integral signs and intervals are very confusing.

What should I do?

Thank you,

Bueno
 
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Yes, analysis of the first and second derivatives (along with a root) will allow you to sketch a reasonable graph of the functions. Can you apply the derivative form of the fundamental theorem of calculus to find the first derivatives?
 
I thought of something like this:

I don't know if I really have to take into account the limits of integration to find the derivative of this function. If I have to, I thought of something about the upper limit:

This integral is a function $$G(x)$$, then, we have $$G(\sqrt{x})$$, so:

$$G'(\sqrt{x}) = (1/2\sqrt{x}) G'(\sqrt{x})
$$

Since $$ G(x) = e^{t^2}, then$$

$$G'(x) = 2te^{t^2}
$$
So:
$$

G'(\sqrt{x})= (1/2\sqrt{x}) 2\sqrt{x}e^{x} = e^{x} $$

But I'm not sure about the lower (0).

These limits of integration really confuse me.
 
Some points to ponder:

Bueno said:
This integral is a function $$G(x)$$, then, we have $$G(\sqrt{x})$$, so:

$$G'(\sqrt{x}) = (1/2\sqrt{x}) G'(\sqrt{x})
$$
The G'(sqrt(x)) cancels on both sides of this equation!

Bueno said:
Since $$ G(x) = e^{t^2}, then$$
LHS is a function of x, RHS is a function of t...

-Dan
 
First, can you state the derivative form of the FTOC?
 
topsquark said:
Some points to ponder:The G'(sqrt(x)) cancels on both sides of this equation!LHS is a function of x, RHS is a function of t...

-Dan

What a mess!
I think I "mixed" some Xs and Ts during the calculations.

MarkFL said:
First, can you state the derivative form of the FTOC?

I've never hear about this form of the FTOC, but after some researches I came across this definition:"Let f be a continuous function and let a be a constant.
Then the function $$ G(x) := \int_a^x f(t)dt$$ is differentiable and

$$G'(x) = d/dx (\int_a^x f(t)dt) = f(x)$$

So, in this case:

$$G(x) =\int_0^\sqrt{x} e^{t^2}$$

Then: $$G'(x) = e^{\sqrt{x}^2} = e^{x}$$

Is this right?
 
Bueno said:
...I've never hear about this form of the FTOC, but after some researches I came across this definition:"Let f be a continuous function and let a be a constant.
Then the function $$ G(x) := \int_a^x f(t)dt$$ is differentiable and

$$G'(x) = d/dx (\int_a^x f(t)dt) = f(x)$$

So, in this case:

$$G(x) =\int_0^\sqrt{x} e^{t^2}$$

Then: $$G'(x) = e^{\sqrt{x}^2} = e^{x}$$

Is this right?

Not quite...you must apply the chain rule in this case.
 
But where?
I mean, what is the function I should calculate the derivative first?

In the upper limit of integration ($$\sqrt{x}$$)?
Or $$e^{t^2}$$ ?
 
Suppose we have the function:

$$h(x)=\int_a^{f(x)}g(t)\,dt$$ where $a$ is a constant.

If $$G'(x)=g(x)$$, then we may use the anti-derivative form of the fundamental theorem of calculus to state:

$$h(x)=G(f(x))-G(a)$$

Now, differentiating both sides with respect to $x$, we find:

$$h'(x)=G'(f(x))f'(x)=g(f(x))f'(x)$$

Can you now apply this result to the given function?
 
  • #10
Then, the result would be:

$$e^{x} 1/2\sqrt{x}$$

?
 
  • #11
I would write:

Given $$f(x)=\int_0^{\sqrt{x}}e^{t^2}\,dt$$

then:

$$f'(x)=e^{(\sqrt{x})^2}\frac{d}{dx}(\sqrt{x})=\frac{e^x}{2\sqrt{x}}$$

Now, can you find the point $(0,f(0))$, describe the function's behavior on its domain, including increasing/decreasing intervals, and concavity, including any inflection points?
 
  • #12
It does not have any real root, so there are no critical points.
It doesn't make sense for x < 0 and is always positive in it's domain (which seems to be $$(0, +\infty)$$

The second derivative is:

$$\frac{e^{x} (2x - 1)}{4x^{3/2}}$$

What gives us the inflection point $$(\frac{1}{2}; 0)$$

It seems that the second derivative also does not "make sense" when $$x < 0$$, it's positive when $$x > \frac{1}{2}$$ and negative between 0 and 1/2.

But I have a question:

The lower limit of integration doesn't affect directly the calculation of the first derivative because it's a constant, right?
But does it affect the domain of the function I want to plot?
 
  • #13
The domain of the function is actually $[0,\infty)$. Since we have:

$$\int_a^a f(x)\,dx=0$$, we know the origin is the left end-point of the function.

As you correctly observed, the first derivative has no real roots, and since is is non-negative on the entire domain, we know the function is strictly increasing on the entire domain.

Your second derivative is correct. We know then that concavity is down on $$\left( 0,\frac{1}{2} \right)$$ and up on $$\left(\frac{1}{2},\infty \right)$$.

Thus, the point of inflection is:

$$\left(\frac{1}{2},f\left(\frac{1}{2} \right) \right)\approx(0.5,0.544987)$$

I used numeric integration to obtain an approximate value for the function at $$x=\frac{1}{2}$$.

You are correct that the lower limit of integration does not affect the calculation of the derivative, but it does in essence tell us where the function "begins."
 
  • #14
I'm sorry, but I didn't understand what you mean by "where the function starts".

When I'm plotting this graph, the lower limit tells me where I should start?
 
  • #15
For $$0\le a$$, if we have:

$$f(x)=\int_a^{\sqrt{x}}e^{t^2}\,dt$$

then we know the point $(a^2,0)$ is on the curve, and we know the left end-point is:

$$\left(0,-\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2}\text{erfi}(a) \right)$$

So, the lower limit of integration serves to act as a vertical shift on the function.

When $a<0$, then there is no $x$-intercept, and the left end-point is:

$$\left(0,\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2}\text{erfi}(-a) \right)$$
 
  • #16
I think things are clear now.

In the other case:

$$\int_0^x\sqrt{|tan(w)|} dw$$

The first derivative would be:

$$\frac{d}{dx} \int_0^x\sqrt{|tan(w)|} dw = \sqrt{|tan(x)|} $$

Am I right?

If so, how to calculate the second derivative?
When I came across other functions involving absolute value, they were polynomial so I could determine where they would change signs or not, but in this case there are infinite intervals where I would have to change signs.
Probably I'm missing something, but I can't realize what it is.
 
  • #17
Yes, you differentiated correctly. :D

I sometimes find it useful when differentiating a function with absolute values to use the definition:

$$|x|\equiv\sqrt{x^2}$$
 

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