Grassmann Integration: Clarifying Notation in "hep-th/0108200

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The discussion revolves around the notation and implications of Grassmann integration as presented in the textbook referenced (http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0108200), specifically focusing on formulas 2.1.4 and 2.1.5. Participants are examining the meaning of the integral expressions involving Grassmann variables and the resulting values, as well as the conventions used in the notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the notation $$d^2 \theta$$ and suggests that according to standard Berezin definitions, there should be an additional factor of $i$ in the resulting formula.
  • Another participant asserts that Grassmann integration should yield 2 instead of -1, proposing a derivative analogy.
  • A participant explains that for a Grassmann variable with two components, $$d^2\theta$$ can be expressed as $$d\theta_1 d\theta_2$$, drawing a parallel to vector notation.
  • It is noted that if $$\theta^2 = \theta_1 \theta_2$$, then the integral can be evaluated to yield -1, but this relies on specific conventions that may differ from the text in question.
  • Further calculations are presented showing the anticommutative properties of the Grassmann variables leading to various integral results, including $$\int d \theta_1 d \theta_2 \theta_1 \theta_2 = -1$$ and $$\int d \theta_2 d \theta_1 \theta_1 \theta_2 = 1$$.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how the anticommutative property applies to the differentials $$d\theta$$.

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Participants express differing views on the notation and the implications of the formulas, with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation or the resulting values from the integrals.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions underlying the notation and the specific conventions used in the calculations, particularly concerning the presence of factors like $i$ and the treatment of differentials.

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Hi, everyone!

I am trying to understand notation of this textbook http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0108200

page 8, formulas 2.1.4 and 2.1.5

$$\int d \theta_\alpha \theta^\beta=\delta_\alpha^\beta$$

this could be found in any textbook the weird that from the above formula follows

$$\int d^2 \theta \; \theta^2=-1$$

I know what θ2 means, but what is d2θ I could hardly guess. According to standard Berezin definition there should be $i$ in the r.h.s. of the last formula

Please help to clarify this

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Grassman integration is the same as Grassman's derivation, so unless I am mistaken it should be 2 and not -1.

Think of it as: [tex]d^2(\theta^2)/d^2 \theta[/tex]

I leave this to the experts.
 
I'm not a fan of the notation in this text. But in general, for a Grassmann variable with two components like ##\theta##, we have ##d^2\theta=d\theta_1 d\theta_2##. This is like writing ##d^3x=dx_1 dx_2 dx_3## for a vector ##\vec x##.

Then, if ##\theta^2 =\theta_1\theta_2## (which is true in everybody's convention up to some factor like ##-1## or ##i##), we have
[tex]\int d^2\theta\,\theta^2 = \int d\theta_1d\theta_2\,\theta_1\theta_2=-\int d\theta_2d\theta_1\theta_1\theta_2=-\int d\theta_2\,\theta_2=-1.[/tex]
Edit: I'm using the convention ##\int d\theta_\alpha\,\theta_\beta=\delta_{\alpha\beta}##, which differs from this text.
 
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Avodyne said:
I'm not a fan of the notation in this text. But in general, for a Grassmann variable with two components like ##\theta##, we have ##d^2\theta=d\theta_1 d\theta_2##. This is like writing ##d^3x=dx_1 dx_2 dx_3## for a vector ##\vec x##.

Then, if ##\theta^2 =\theta_1\theta_2## (which is true in everybody's convention up to some factor like ##-1## or ##i##), we have
[tex]\int d^2\theta\,\theta^2 = \int d\theta_1d\theta_2\,\theta_1\theta_2=-\int d\theta_2d\theta_1\theta_1\theta_2=-\int d\theta_2\,\theta_2=-1.[/tex]
Edit: I'm using the convention ##\int d\theta_\alpha\,\theta_\beta=\delta_{\alpha\beta}##, which differs from this text.
I know that ##\theta## anticommute, but how one deduce that ##d\theta## obey the same rule
 
[itex]\int d \theta_1 d \theta_2 \theta_1 \theta_2 = - \int d \theta_1 d \theta_2 \theta_2 \theta_1 = - \int d \theta_1 \theta_1 = -1 = - \int d \theta_2 d \theta_1 \theta_1 \theta_2[/itex]

and

[itex]\int d \theta_1 d \theta_2 \theta_2 \theta_1 = 1 = \int d \theta_2 d \theta_1 \theta_1 \theta_2 = - \int d \theta_2 d \theta_1 \theta_2 \theta_1[/itex].
 
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So I've proved

[itex]\int d \theta_1 d \theta_2 ( \theta_1 \theta_2) = - \int d \theta_2 d \theta_1 (\theta_1 \theta_2)[/itex]

This obviously implies

[itex]\int d \theta_1 d \theta_2 ( \theta_2 \theta_1) = - \int d \theta_2 d \theta_1 (\theta_2 \theta_1)[/itex].

So [itex]d \theta_1 d \theta_2 = - d \theta_2 d \theta_1[/itex]
 

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