Set up polar area integral of ellipse

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The problem involves setting up the integral for the area of an ellipse defined by the equation \(\frac{x^2}{a^2} = \frac{y^2}{b^2} \le 1\) in polar coordinates. The context is within vector calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various representations of the ellipse in polar coordinates, including the use of parameters \(t\) and \(\theta\). There are questions about the correct expressions for \(dx\) and \(dy\) in terms of these parameters. Some participants explore the potential application of Green's theorem and Jacobians to set up the integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to express the area integral. Some have suggested using Green's theorem, while others are considering the implications of using Jacobians. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding notation differences between their resources and the professor's materials. There is also mention of the problem being a preliminary step before applying Stokes' theorem.

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Homework Statement



Set up the integral for the area of the ellipse:
\frac{x^2}{a^2} =\frac{y^2}{b^2} \le 1
in polar coordinates.

Homework Equations



maybe \int_\alpha^\beta \int_a^b f(rcos\theta , rsin \theta ) r \; dr \; d\theta
or more likely \int_a^b \frac{1}{2} r^2 \; d\theta

The Attempt at a Solution



well, x=acos(t) and y=bsin(t)
and dx=-asin(t) and dy=bcos(t)
or is it dx=-asin(t) \; dt and dy=bcos(t) \; dt ?

And somehow I need to get to A=\frac{1}{2} [ \int_0^{2\pi } abcos^2(t) + absin^2(t) \; dt ]

I looked at \frac{1}{2} \int_0^{2\pi} ([f(\theta )]^2 - [g(\theta )]^2) \; d\theta

but that gives a^2 and b^2 , not ab.

This is for vector calculus so if you know a better formula it is definitely on the table. Anything goes. :cry: This is only the first step in a problem where ultimately I'll be doing some Stokes theorem stuff. But first, I must set this up in polar form.

Oh, and I apologize for some formulas using t and others using theta. I am trying to work out of my old calculus book, but prof uses a different notation. i wrote the formulas exactly as I see them so that I do not confuse anyone with an error I might make in meaning. But I'm guessing t and theta are the same thing in these set ups.

hey... theta starts with a t...maybe that's why people use t! .. okay crazy person rant over...
 
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Hm, I see this maybe Green's theorem in action. Let's put this on hold for a minute.
 
If the length of the semi major and semi minor axes and a and b, then you can represent the ellipse as:

x = acos{t}
y = bsin{t}


and recall that:

r^{2} = x^{2} + y^{2}

This should send you in the right direction. Alternatively, if you know about Jacobians, then you can calculate the Jacobian and set up your integral that way.
 
I used Green's theorem
\frac{1}{2} \int (xdy - ydx)
and reached the desired result.

Thanks for your input DivisionbyZro.
 

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