Gravitation #3.14: Showing dF=0 as Geometric Version of Maxwell's Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the geometric interpretation of Maxwell's equations, specifically focusing on the expression dF = 0. Participants explore how this expression relates to the electromagnetic fields and the implications of showing its frame independence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that dF is a 2-form in four dimensions, representing six independent electromagnetic fields, with the homogeneous Maxwell equation expressed as dF = 0.
  • Others introduce a 3-form for the 4-current, suggesting that the inhomogeneous Maxwell equations can be represented as dF = -4πJ, and note that the continuity equation dJ = 0 holds due to the property d² = 0.
  • A later reply questions how to demonstrate that dF = 0 is the geometric version of Maxwell's equations, suggesting that a Lorentz boost could be used to show frame independence.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding of the original question and expresses a willingness to clarify how Maxwell's equations can be derived from the geometric perspective, referencing specific sections of a text.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to show that dF = 0 is the geometric version of Maxwell's equations, and multiple competing views on the interpretation and implications of the equations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of forms and the need for further clarification on the relationship between geometric formulations and traditional Maxwell's equations.

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How does one show that dF = 0 is the geometric version of Maxwell's equations??
 
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I guess you mean that dF is a 2-form in four dimensions, so it has six independent fields (the electromagnetic fields):

[tex]dF=E_idx^idt+\frac{1}{2}\epsilon_{ijk}B_idx^jdx^k[/tex]

Now the homogeneous Maxwell equation read dF=0. For the other two equations, introduce a 3-form for the 4-current

[tex]J=J_1dx^1dx^2dt+J_2dx^3dx^4dt+J_3dx^1dx^2dt+\rho dx^1dx^2dx^3[/tex]

So the inhomogeneous Maxwell equations are dF = -4 \pi J. Note that, since d^2 = 0, J satisfies the continuity equation dJ = 0.
 
Petr Mugver said:
I guess you mean that dF is a 2-form in four dimensions, so it has six independent fields (the electromagnetic fields):

[tex]dF=E_idx^idt+\frac{1}{2}\epsilon_{ijk}B_idx^jdx^k[/tex]

Now the homogeneous Maxwell equation read dF=0. For the other two equations, introduce a 3-form for the 4-current

[tex]J=J_1dx^1dx^2dt+J_2dx^3dx^4dt+J_3dx^1dx^2dt+\rho dx^1dx^2dx^3[/tex]

So the inhomogeneous Maxwell equations are dF = -4 \pi J. Note that, since d^2 = 0, J satisfies the continuity equation dJ = 0.

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...huh? I know that dF=0 is Maxwell's equations. I asked:
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How does one show that dF = 0 is the geometric version of Maxwell's equations??
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E.g. if I wanted to show it was frame-independent, then I would perform a Lorentz boost and show how the same equation appears, but with primes.
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I'm sorry, but I don't know how to ask this question more clearly. I guess it's b/c I don't understand it. But then again, that's why I posted it.
 
Petr Mugver said:
I guess you mean that dF is a 2-form in four dimensions, so it has six independent fields (the electromagnetic fields):

[tex]dF=E_idx^idt+\frac{1}{2}\epsilon_{ijk}B_idx^jdx^k[/tex]

Now the homogeneous Maxwell equation read dF=0. For the other two equations, introduce a 3-form for the 4-current

[tex]J=J_1dx^1dx^2dt+J_2dx^3dx^4dt+J_3dx^1dx^2dt+\rho dx^1dx^2dx^3[/tex]

So the inhomogeneous Maxwell equations are dF = -4 \pi J. Note that, since d^2 = 0, J satisfies the continuity equation dJ = 0.

I misunderstood the question. They were probably asking to show that Maxwell's equations can be obtained from this geometric version. I can do that having read section 4.5 of the text.

Thanks for your help.
 

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