Gravitation & Electromagnetic Forces: Interdependence?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravitational and electromagnetic forces, exploring whether they are independent or interdependent. Participants examine the implications of their interactions, the nature of gravity, and practical applications involving these forces.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that gravitation and electromagnetic forces are independent, suggesting that gravity would exist without electromagnetic forces, which are responsible for atomic existence.
  • Another participant counters that gravity exists between chargeless particles, implying that gravitational interactions are not solely dependent on electromagnetic forces.
  • A third participant points out the omission of neutrons in the discussion, indicating a potential oversight in the atomic structure's role in gravitational interactions.
  • Some participants propose that electromagnetic forces may be the cause of gravity, raising questions about the nature of gravitational force acting over distances without a medium.
  • A participant shares personal experience attempting to create a perpetual motion device using rare Earth magnets and quartz crystals, discussing challenges related to friction and seeking advice on improving the design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the independence of gravitational and electromagnetic forces, with no consensus reached on their interdependence or the nature of gravity itself. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of forces and particles, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mechanisms of gravity and electromagnetic interactions. The practical experiment shared introduces additional variables that may not be fully explored in the theoretical discussion.

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Gravitation and Electromagnetic forces are independent, correct? That implies.. Gravitation would exist even if Electromagnetic forces didn't. But, electromagnetic forces are responsible for existence of atoms.. and atoms are what make up the mass, no? And Gravitation exists because of Mass.
So, I don't think Gravitation would exist if there was no Electromagnetic force, would it?
 
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gravity still exists between chargeless particles though.
 
you forgot neutrons!
 
There are some who say electromagnetic forces are the cause of gravity.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-dist.asp

In that case, no they couldn't.

Me personally, I can't get over the thought of gravity, a force, acting over incredible distance without a medium or field to propagate the force. That's why I have a lot of doubts about two forces "pulling" at each other.
 
I have been working with gravity and electromagnetic force for year.
I tried to build a perpetual wheel out of rare Earth magnets and a huge quartz crystal out of the virginia city, nevada gold mines.

I have been somewhat successful in getting the magnet wheel wrapped around the huge crystal to resonate/vibrate and spin up for days before dying back down to stop.

I have yet to find a good efficient small bearing to hold the device up to the ceiling to let it spin up and run.

I think I have a friction problem that is stopping my project from spinning up!

I have tried a fishing swivel and a bearing out of a computer hard drive, but still no good.

Any ideas?

Thanks:

Dick Baublitz xpi
blitz@pyramid.net
Radio KI7YF
 

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