Gravitation: Object moving from infinity

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The discussion revolves around a problem in gravitation, specifically concerning the conditions under which a celestial body B collides with another celestial body A. The original poster attempts to express the condition of a variable σ in relation to the radii of the celestial bodies and the distances involved in the gravitational interaction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster describes an approach involving the use of Pythagorean theorem and conservation of energy to derive a relationship for σ. Some participants question the necessity of considering the gravitational influence of body A on body B at all times. Others suggest that the original poster's assumption about the velocity of body B may be flawed, particularly regarding its relationship to orbital and escape velocities.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have offered guidance on using conservation laws, while others have pointed out potential misconceptions in the original poster's reasoning. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple perspectives are being examined.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the gravitational influence and the velocities involved, with some noting that the original poster's solution may be overly complicated. The presence of constants in the original poster's equations is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement
There is a spherical celestial body A with the radius of 𝑅 and the mass of 𝑀. As
shown in figure, consider movement of a celestial body B of which relative
velocity at infinity is 𝑣∞ with respect to the celestial body A and the mass is
negligible compared to the celestial body A. At infinity, the celestial body B moves
in the horizontal direction shown in the Figure, and the distance from the straight
line which passes through the center of the celestial body A and is parallel to the
movement direction of the celestial body B

Express the condition of 𝜎 where the celestial body B collides against the
celestial body A
Relevant Equations
GM/R
Express the condition of 𝜎 where the celestial body B collides against the
celestial body ASo this is the original figure of the problem.

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This is my attempt at a solution

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Since I need to find σ, I have assumed sigma to be an multiple of the radius ## R ##. So, let ## \sigma = \lambda R ##, where ## \lambda ## is some constant term. I have also assumed that the object ## B ## comes into the gravitational influence of object ## A ## when its a horizontal distance of ## n \lambda R ## away (n is some other constant term)

So, using Pythagoras theorem, the distance of object B ## r = \sqrt{{(\lambda R)}^2 + {(n \lambda R)}^2} ##. Substituting ## \sigma ## back, this implies ## r= \sigma \sqrt{n^2 + 1} ##

So, my approach is when object is at a distance ## r= \sigma \sqrt{n^2 + 1} ##, its velocity is ## v_2 ##.This velocity should be less than the orbital velocity at distance ## r ## for it to collide with planet A.

This velocity can be calculated using conservation of energy.

At infinity, ## T_0 = \frac{1}{2}m{v_{\inf}}^2 ##.

At point ## v_2 ##, ## T_1 = \frac{1}{2}m{v_2}^2 - \frac{GMm}{r} ##

Solving this we get ## {v_2}^2 = {v_{inf}}^2 + \frac{2GM}{r} ##. Since ## v_2 < v_{orb} ##

$$ \Rightarrow {v_{inf}}^2 + \frac{2GM}{r} < \frac{GM}{r} $$.

$$ \Rightarrow {v_{\inf}}^2 < - \frac{GM}{r} $$

$$ \Rightarrow r < - \frac{GM}{{v_{\inf}}^2} $$

Substituting everything, I get a value for ## \sigma ## which has the constant term ## n ##. However, I'm not supposed to have ## n ## in the answer. What am I doing wrong?
 

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I see no advantage in considering that B is not always in A's gravitational field.
What conservation laws apply?
 
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It sounds like you are trying to find what is sometimes called the "impact parameter".

The path the object will follow is a hyperbola with the focus at the center of object A. I've modified the diagram to illustrate.
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You are solving for the hyperbola where the periapsis ( Closest approach to the center of A) is equal to R.
Your assumption of the velocity ever being below orbital velocity is incorrect. At no point of it's trajectory will object B ever even drop below escape velocity.
 
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Janus said:
You are solving for the hyperbola where the periapsis ( Closest approach to the center of A) is equal to R.
The problem is much easier than that.
 
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It is an interesting exercise to do the derive the hyperbola, but my method (which I think is the same as @haruspex's method) just involves writing down two equations from two conservation laws and eliminating one variable.
 
Try using conservation of angular momentum as well as conservation of energy.
 

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