Gravitation Potential Energy -- Questions about calculating the sign of GPE

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The discussion centers on gravitational potential energy (GPE) and its calculation, particularly the sign of GPE changes. It is established that GPE is always positive relative to the ground, while changes in GPE can be either positive or negative depending on the context. The formulas mghf - mg0 and mgh0 - mghf are clarified, with the former indicating the signed change in potential energy and the latter representing the loss in potential energy. The convention that potential at infinity is zero leads to the conclusion that all other GPE values are negative.

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When does one use mgh0-mghf, and when does one use mghf-mg0? Is all gravitation potential energy necessarily negative?
Relevant Equations
E=(m/2)(vf^2-v0^2)+mg(hf-h0)
PE=mg(h0-hf)
I believe that this is due to context of application, but now, I'm starting to doubt myself. For example, a helicopter lifting itself has positive PE change. I really don't intuitively understand how this works. Can someone kindly explain this to me?
 
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Relative to the ground, GPE (gravitational potential energy) is always positive. A change in GPE can be positve or negative.
 
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Quantum Psi Inverted said:
Homework Statement: When does one use mgh0-mghf, and when does one use mghf-mg0? Is all gravitation potential energy necessarily negative?
Those are two different questions.

Assuming the 0 and f are supposed to indicate initial and final heights, mghf-mg0 gives you the (signed) change in PE. mgh0-mghf gives you the loss in PE, obviously.

All "potentials" are in principle relative, i.e. it is up to you to choose where the zero potential is. However, a convention commonly used, both for GPE and electrostatic, is that the potential at infinity is zero. That makes all other GPEs negative.
At a greater height, the potential is less negative, so is greater than at a lower height.
 
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