Gravitation Potential Energy -- Questions about calculating the sign of GPE

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Gravitational potential energy (GPE) is context-dependent, with its sign determined by the chosen reference point for zero potential. When calculating changes in GPE, the formula mghf - mg0 indicates the signed change, while mgh0 - mghf shows the loss in potential energy. Generally, GPE is considered negative when using the convention that potential at infinity is zero. As an object rises, its GPE becomes less negative, indicating a positive change in energy. Understanding these principles clarifies the calculations and interpretations of gravitational potential energy.
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When does one use mgh0-mghf, and when does one use mghf-mg0? Is all gravitation potential energy necessarily negative?
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E=(m/2)(vf^2-v0^2)+mg(hf-h0)
PE=mg(h0-hf)
I believe that this is due to context of application, but now, I'm starting to doubt myself. For example, a helicopter lifting itself has positive PE change. I really don't intuitively understand how this works. Can someone kindly explain this to me?
 
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Relative to the ground, GPE (gravitational potential energy) is always positive. A change in GPE can be positve or negative.
 
Quantum Psi Inverted said:
Homework Statement: When does one use mgh0-mghf, and when does one use mghf-mg0? Is all gravitation potential energy necessarily negative?
Those are two different questions.

Assuming the 0 and f are supposed to indicate initial and final heights, mghf-mg0 gives you the (signed) change in PE. mgh0-mghf gives you the loss in PE, obviously.

All "potentials" are in principle relative, i.e. it is up to you to choose where the zero potential is. However, a convention commonly used, both for GPE and electrostatic, is that the potential at infinity is zero. That makes all other GPEs negative.
At a greater height, the potential is less negative, so is greater than at a lower height.
 
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