Gravitational Force: Position Formula for Object Attracted

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The discussion revolves around deriving a formula for the position of an object attracted by gravitational force, specifically in the context of a large planet and an object starting from rest at a distance greater than the planet's radius. The focus is on theoretical approaches to modeling the object's motion under gravity.

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  • One participant inquires about creating a position formula for an object attracted by gravitational force, given its initial conditions and the gravitational acceleration formula.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical derivation involving the integration of acceleration and velocity, leading to an implicit equation for the position as a function of time.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the complexity of the provided solution and notes the cleverness of integrating with respect to position rather than time.
  • There is a discussion about the difficulty of inverting the derived expression to express time as a function of position, with one participant suggesting it may not be possible to do so using elementary functions.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and appreciation for the mathematical approaches discussed, but there is no consensus on the feasibility of inverting the derived expressions or the overall approach to finding a position formula.

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The discussion highlights the challenges in deriving a position formula under gravitational influence, particularly the complexities involved in integrating and inverting the resulting equations. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the derivations and the limitations of the mathematical methods employed.

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Hi.

How can one create a formula for the position of a object attracted by a gravitational force?
Assume we have a large planet with radius [tex]r_0[/tex] and mass M, whose position almost does not change) and an object [tex]r_1[/tex] such that [tex]r_1 > r_0[/tex] units away from the center of the planet.

The objects initial speed is zero. The acceleration the object experience at a distance r such that [tex]r_1>r>r_0[/tex] is [tex]F=\frac{GM}{r^2}[/tex], where G is the gravitational constant. Now I have tried numerous ways to create a position formula for this object given only the starting distance [tex]r_1[/tex], but I have not found one. Do you have any hints for a way to find one?
 
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Well, you have:
[tex]\frac{d^{2}\tau}{dt^{2}}=-\frac{GM}{\tau^{2}}[/tex]
Multiply this with the velocity, and integrate from t=0, to some arbitrary time t, and we get:
[tex]\frac{1}{2}(\frac{d\tau}{dt})^{2}-\frac{1}{2}*0^{2}=\frac{GM}{\tau}-\frac{GM}{\tau_{1}}[/tex]
Noting that the velocity must be negative, we may simplify to:
[tex]\frac{d\tau}{dt}=-\gamma\sqrt{\frac{\tau_{1}-\tau}{\tau},\gamma=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{\tau_{1}}}[/tex]
We may separate this, introduce the dummy variable "x", and get:
[tex]\int_{\tau_{1}}^{\tau(t)}\sqrt{\frac{x}{\tau_{1}-x}}dx=-\gamma{t} (*)[/tex]
By setting
[tex]u=\sqrt{\frac{x}{\tau_{1}-x}},x=\tau_{1}\to{u}=\infty,x=\frac{\tau_{1}u^{2}}{1+u^{2}},\frac{dx}{du}=\frac{2u}{(1+u^<br /> {2})^{2}}[/tex]
We may rewrite the integral on the left-hand-side as follows:
[tex]\int_{\tau_{1}}^{\tau(t)}\sqrt{\frac{x}{\tau_{1}-x}}dx=-\tau_{1}\int_{x=\tau(t)}^{u=\infty}\frac{2u^{2}du}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}=-\tau_{1}(\arctan(u)-\frac{u}{1+u^{2}}\mid_{x=\tau(t)}^{u=\infty})=-\tau_{1}(\frac{\pi}{2}-\arctan(\sqrt{\frac{\tau(t)}{\tau_{1}-\tau(t)}})+\frac{\sqrt{\tau(t)(\tau_{1}-\tau(t))}}{\tau_{1}})[/tex]
Inserting this into the left-hand side of (*) yields an implicit equation for the sought function [itex]\tau(t)[/itex]

Note that we may readily find the collision time, tc:
[tex]t_{c}=\frac{\tau_{1}^{\frac{3}{2}}}{\sqrt{2GM}}(\frac{\pi}{2}-\arctan(\sqrt{\frac{\tau_{0}}{\tau_{1}-\tau_{0}}})+\frac{\sqrt{\tau_{0}(\tau_{1}-\tau_{0})}}{\tau_{1}})[/tex]
Using the relation:
[tex]\arctan(\frac{y}{x})+\arctan(\frac{x}{y})=\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex], we get:
[tex]t_{c}=\frac{\tau_{1}^{\frac{3}{2}}}{\sqrt{2GM}}(\arctan(\sqrt{\frac{\tau_{1}-\tau_{0}}{\tau_{0}}})+\frac{\sqrt{\tau_{0}(\tau_{1}-\tau_{0})}}{\tau_{1}})[/tex]
 
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This was more than I asked for, thank you! Really clever to integrate with respect to r, and not t in equation 4 (which I did, and ended up with a similar equation with an arctan term. Differentiating would give a quartic equation with (dr/dt) as variable, and constant coefficients except the last term, which was a linear function of time. Solving for this would be hard, and even harder to integrate)

Now you really solved for time with respect to r, the inverse would perhaps be hard to achieve? (if even possible, looking at the complex formula I'd say it's impossible)
 
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Indeed it would be hard to invert this expression, meaning you probably can't express the inverse through any finite combination of elementary functions.
 

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