Undergrad Gravitational Time Dilation: Radius & Clock Rate Variation Explained

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The discussion centers on gravitational time dilation and how clock rates vary with distance from a massive object. The user initially expected a smaller radius when comparing clock rates but found that a clock running at half the rate of a distant clock has a larger radius than one running at a tenth the rate. This indicates that clocks tick more slowly at the center of a gravitational field compared to those at higher altitudes. The analysis assumes the clocks are stationary rather than in orbit, and the results align with the expected behavior of time dilation. Understanding these relationships clarifies the interpretation of the gravitational time dilation equation.
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(Apologies I posted this initially as a conversation. Not familiar with the format)

I used the ‘gravitational time dilation’ equation to see how the clock rate varies with distance from the center of an object. I got the opposite result to what I was expecting.From Wikipedia;

Gravitational time dilation outside a non-rotating sphere

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t0 is the proper time between events A and B for a slow-ticking observer within the gravitational field,

tf is the coordinate time between events A and B for a fast-ticking observer at an arbitrarily large distance from the massive object (this assumes the fast-ticking observer is using Schwarzschild coordinates, a coordinate system where a clock at infinite distance from the massive sphere would tick at one second per second of coordinate time, while closer clocks would tick at less than that rate),

r is the radial coordinate of the observer (which is analogous to the classical distance from the center of the object, but is actually a Schwarzschild coordinate),

rs is the Schwarzschild radius.I was interested to find out how the radius r varies with the time ratio t0/ tf for a given mass.

I plugged in t0/ tf = 1/10

This is effectively asking what is r when the fast clock is running 10 times faster than the slow clock.

The answer is r = rs X 100/99Then I asked what is r when the fast clock is running 2 times faster than the slow clock.

I plugged in t0/ tf = ½ expecting a smaller radius

I got the answer r = rs X 4/3 which is a bigger radius than the previous case.Clocks tick more slowly at the center than higher up. The higher up (the greater the radius) the faster a clock ticks relative to the center clock.Looking to clear up my confusion
 
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Zman said:
Clocks tick more slowly at the center than higher up. The higher up (the greater the radius) the faster a clock ticks relative to the center clock
Yes. Incidentally, the analysis you are doing assumes the clock is hovering (or sitting on a solid surface), not orbiting.

The numbers you give seem consistent with this - the slowest clock is at about 1.01##r_S##, the next fastest is higher up at 1.33##r_S##, and the fastest clock is at infinity.

Edit: so ##r## is the "altitude" of the lower clock. This is being compared to a clock at infinity.

Edit2: ##t_0/t_f=1/2## means that the clock at infinity ticks twice in the time it takes the lower clock to tick once.
 
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Ibix said:
Edit: so r is the "altitude" of the lower clock. This is being compared to a clock at infinity.

Yes, the lower clock running at half the rate of the clock at infinity will have a larger radius than the lower clock running at a tenth the rate of the clock at infinity. Obvious. Though I need to make a note of how to correctly interpret the equation.

Thank you for that.
 
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