Gravity between objects on Earth

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational force between large objects on Earth, specifically focusing on the Great Pyramid of Giza and its effect on nearby objects. Participants explore the calculations of gravitational force, observable effects, and the implications of local gravitational fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate the gravitational force exerted by the Great Pyramid of Giza, suggesting it could be significant, with one example stating a force of about 24 N for a 60 kg person at 1 meter away.
  • Others argue that the force calculated seems too large and question why there is no observable acceleration, suggesting that the local gravitational field can be affected by large structures.
  • One participant notes that the majority of the pyramid's mass is beyond 1 meter from a person, implying that the effective gravitational force would be less than calculated.
  • Another participant mentions the Shell theorem, indicating that the gravitational effect of the pyramid can be approximated as if its mass were concentrated at its center.
  • Some participants highlight that while the pyramid has a gravitational field, it is negligible compared to the Earth's overall gravitational influence on objects at its surface.
  • References to external sources, such as the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment, are provided to support various points made in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the gravitational force between the pyramid and nearby objects. There is no consensus on the calculations or the observable effects of this force, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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Participants discuss the limitations of their calculations, including assumptions about distance and the distribution of mass in large objects. The discussion also touches on the relevance of local gravitational fields compared to that of the Earth.

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I always thought the force of gravity between two objects on Earth wasn't significant enough for there to be an apparent acceleration between the objects. But I tried calculating the force of gravity for massive objects, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, the force seems to be quite significant. In fact, for a 60 kg person it would be about 24 N when 1 meter away from the pyramid. Why then, is there no observable acceleration?
 
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UMath1 said:
But I tried calculating the force of gravity for massive objects, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, the force seems to be quite significant. In fact, for a 60 kg person it would be about 24 N when 1 meter away from the pyramid
That seems too large.
UMath1 said:
Why then, is there no observable acceleration?
There is. Both the magnitude and the direction of the Earth's local gravitational field can be affected by mountains or other large objects. This is measurable with careful gravimetric measurements.
 
UMath1 said:
I always thought the force of gravity between two objects on Earth wasn't significant enough for there to be an apparent acceleration between the objects. But I tried calculating the force of gravity for massive objects, like the Great Pyramid of Giza, the force seems to be quite significant. In fact, for a 60 kg person it would be about 24 N when 1 meter away from the pyramid. Why then, is there no observable acceleration?

That seems waaaay too large. Remember that the pyramid is a very large object and the vast majority of its mass is well beyond 1 meter away from a person standing next to it.
 
I think your error is probably that you can't be 1 meter away from the entire mass of the pyramid, since it is roughly 100 meters across. The pyramid will act as though the mass were concentrated at its center, so the closest you can get is roughly 100 meters away, which reduces the force by a factor of 10^4. Try looking up the Shell theorem, which explains why a uniform spherical object acts as though all of the mass is concentrated at the center. The Great pyramid is not a sphere, but the same reasoning will roughly apply.
 
I think the main point to consider is that the great pyramid, or even Mt Everest has a much smaller gravitation than does the entrire Earth.
Although those do have a gravitation field, it is close to irrelevant when compared to the Earth as a whole for an object standing on the surface of Earth.
Something like the great pyramid if it were free floating in space would be comparable to a typical asteroid or comet.
Getting the Rosetta spacecraft to successfully manage an orbit around something that small was a considerable feat of engineering.
 

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