Gravity - Effective distance of center of earth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of gravity and the effective distance of the Earth's center when calculating gravitational force. It explores the assumptions made when treating the Earth as a point mass, particularly in relation to varying distances from different layers of the Earth.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of assuming the Earth is a point mass when considering gravitational effects from different depths, noting that a cubic mile of Earth just below the surface has a greater gravitational influence than one much deeper.
  • Another participant suggests that under the assumption of uniform density, the gravitational effects cancel out on either side of a line of symmetry, allowing the use of Newton's law of gravity as a point mass for the Earth.
  • A further contribution references Newton's shell theorem, stating that a uniform spherical shell of mass produces the same gravitational field as a point mass located at the center, but emphasizes the proximity of mass at different depths affecting gravitational influence.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous points and expresses agreement, indicating a recognition of the complexity in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the point mass assumption for the Earth, with some supporting the idea based on uniform density and symmetry, while others raise concerns about the implications of depth on gravitational effects. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not fully resolve the implications of depth on gravitational calculations, nor does it clarify the assumptions regarding uniform density and its impact on the validity of treating the Earth as a point mass.

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To calculate the force of gravity from a distant body we assume the body is a point mass and it is therefore relatively easy to determine its effective distance. On the surface of the earth, the same formula is used and we use the radius of the Earth as the effective distance, thus we assume the Earth is a point mass at a distance of about 4000 miles.
But a cubic mile of Earth that is only 1 mile below the surface has a much greater effect than a cubic mile of Earth that is nearly 8000 miles below the surface. So how is it valid to assume the Earth is a point mass when we are so close to it?
 
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its because given uniform density you get cancelation of the affect on either side of the line of symmetry.

this is a proof of using Newtons law of gravity as a point mass for the Earth from my mechanics lectures

http://members.iinet.net.au/~housewrk/pointmass.jpg
 
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John Davis said:
But a cubic mile of Earth that is only 1 mile below the surface has a much greater effect than a cubic mile of Earth that is nearly 8000 miles below the surface. So how is it valid to assume the Earth is a point mass when we are so close to it?
Realize that a uniform spherical shell of mass m produces the same gravitational field as a point mass of mass m located at the center of the sphere. (This is one of Newton's shell theorems.) But that shell of Earth 1 mile below the surface is only one mile away from you at the near side--the other side is about 8000 miles away.
 
yeh he's right, sorry i should have mentioned that :P
clever mr mentor :)
 

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