Gravity, Time Dilation & Black Holes: Q&A

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity, time dilation, and black holes, specifically exploring how the size of a black hole affects time experienced by a ship orbiting it compared to time on Earth. The scope includes theoretical considerations of general relativity and the effects of proximity to a black hole's event horizon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how large a black hole must be for a ship orbiting it for a year to experience a time dilation effect equating to 10,000 years on Earth.
  • Another participant notes that the mass of the black hole and the distance from the event horizon are critical factors in determining the time dilation experienced by the ship.
  • A further contribution claims that orbiting at approximately 1.5 times the Schwarzschild radius will yield the desired time dilation ratio of 1 to 10,000, emphasizing the limitations of such an orbit.
  • It is mentioned that this orbit would be unstable, with any small perturbation potentially leading to either falling into the black hole or escaping to infinity, while the closest stable orbit is at three times the Schwarzschild radius, resulting in a smaller time dilation factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the specifics of time dilation and stable orbits around black holes, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the conditions necessary for the described time dilation effects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the mathematical details or assumptions regarding the stability of orbits and the precise calculations of time dilation factors.

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I'm wondering if a ship orbited a black hole for a year, how large would the black hole be for it to equal 10,000 years on earth?
 
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It would depend not only on the mass of the BH, but also on the distance at which the ship is orbiting.
The closer it is to the event horizon the more noticeable would be the time dilation for a distant observer.
 
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Janus said:
orbiting at ~1.500000015 times its Schwarzschild radius

It's worth noting that this will be an unstable free-fall orbit; any small perturbation will either send you into the hole, or send you out to infinity. The closest stable free-fall orbit is at 3 times the Schwarzschild radius, where the time dilation factor is much smaller, only ##\sqrt{2}##.
 
Thanks very much!
 

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