Gravity Well & Speed of Light: Questions & Answers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of gravity wells on the speed of light and the implications for the age of the universe. It explores concepts from general relativity and the nature of light in gravitational fields, as well as the relationship between gravity and time measurement.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Grange, questions whether gravity wells affect the speed of light and the approximated age of the universe, expressing initial certainty about the constancy of light speed.
  • Another participant suggests that all observers measure the speed of light as a constant (c) but notes that gravitational effects on time are significant only in very strong fields, implying that gravity wells do not affect the age of the universe significantly.
  • A different participant asserts that gravity wells cannot change the speed of light in general relativity but can alter the trajectory of light.
  • Another response clarifies that while the speed of light is constant when measured locally, a local clock runs slower near a mass, which may lead to the perception that light appears to travel slower when measured with a distant clock.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the speed of light remains constant in local measurements, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of gravity wells on light's trajectory and the age of the universe. The discussion remains unresolved on the broader implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about gravitational effects, the definitions of speed in different contexts, and the unresolved nature of how these factors might influence cosmological measurements.

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Does a gravity well affect the speed of light? I would assume not because I know the speed of light to be a constant and that's how I have always been taught but now I am starting to question this. Also, would gravity wells affect the approximated age of the universe, and if so, by how much?

Thanks for the help guys!
-Grange
 
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You may have more luck with this one in the relativity forum :wink: Admins move this maybe?
But all observers measure the speed of light to be c. That much I can tell you as fact. As to the age of the universe, I asked a similar question at the end of a lecture at an open day once. The short answer is no, as gravitational effects on time are only significant for very intensely strong fields. It's also worth pointing out that by far the biggest constraint on our estimate of the age of the universe is our uncertainty in the value of Hubble's constant. We think it's around ~70 (km/s)/Mpc, but estimates range over 50-100 (km/s)/Mpc.
 
gravity wells cannot change the speed of light in GR. They can change the trajectory light travels, of course.
 
la grange said:
Does a gravity well affect the speed of light? I would assume not because I know the speed of light to be a constant and that's how I have always been taught but now I am starting to question this.

Don't confuse gravity wells with relativistic gravitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_well#Gravity_wells_and_general_relativity"). Measured with a local clock the speed of light is constant everywhere. But a local clock runs slower near a mass. So, measured with a faster distant clock light appears to be slower near a mass.
 
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