Greek student going for grad studies in USA

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The discussion revolves around a Greek freshman studying physics who is inquiring about the prospects of gaining admission to prestigious graduate programs in the USA, specifically at institutions like MIT, Princeton, Berkeley, and CalTech. The conversation touches on academic performance, research opportunities, and experiences from other students.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant advises the freshman to focus on their undergraduate experience rather than worrying about graduate school at this stage, suggesting that interests may change.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of undergraduate research opportunities in Greek universities, which may impact graduate school applications.
  • Another participant shares personal experiences from Turkey, indicating that a GPA of 3.2 may not be sufficient for top universities, while a GPA of 3.7 could be acceptable, depending on other factors like GRE scores.
  • Specific historical examples are provided regarding students from a Turkish university who were accepted into prestigious programs with high GPAs and GRE scores, suggesting that these metrics are critical for admission.
  • There is reassurance regarding the freshman's English proficiency, indicating that it should not be a barrier for TOEFL requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of GPA and research experience, with some emphasizing the need for higher academic performance and GRE scores, while others highlight the variability in admissions criteria and personal circumstances.

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Limitations include the variability of admission standards across different universities and the lack of concrete data on current admission trends for international students from specific countries.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering graduate studies in the USA, particularly those from international backgrounds, and those interested in the admissions process for physics programs.

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Hi, I'm freshman studying physics in the University of Patras (an unknown but demanding unversity but in Greece). My grades are good (3.2-3.7/4.0) and I have excellent recommendations. I just want to know what are the odds of getting into a great university in the USA (MIT, Princeton, Berkeley, CalTech etc) in 3 years from now. Thanks in advance :)
 
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Hello!

First off, you're still a freshman. Don't worry about grad school just yet! College is for more than finding what you want to do immediately and getting tunnel vision. You may decide to go into a different field entirely, or possibly not want to do grad school at all (and from what I understand, grad school may get interrupted by mandatory military service).

Those are fine grades for now, but you'll need to boost them a little. The most important thing for getting into grad school is research experience, so try to find a professor who will let you conduct research with them. It's a great way to get extra experience in the field and to discover if that's what you want to do.
 
Well, thing is that in Greek universities research where undergraduates are involved is almost non-existant and that's what's worrying me...
 
kostas230 said:
Well, thing is that in Greek universities research where undergraduates are involved is almost non-existant and that's what's worrying me...

the same situation in Turkey.
3.2 is not sufficient for MIT, princeton, caltech, etc. but 3.7 may be OK.
you need a high PhysicsGRE score, too.
your English is excellent. don't worry about TOEFL score.

I have a Bs degree in physics from by far the best university of Turkey. (bogazici university, 1988)
as far as I remember;

In 1988, a ME-phys double major student with 3.82 GPA and 91 percent PhysicsGRE score was accepted by princeton physics departmet with full financial aid.
he was the best of both engineering students and science students in our university.
in other words, he was the best student of the best university of Turkey.

in 1985, a physics student, in our university, with about 3.6 or 3.7 GPA and 98 percent physGRE score was accepted by Caltech with full financial aid.

in 1982, a physics sudent in our university was accepted by MIT with full financial aid but I don't have any information about his GPA and GRE scores.

when I visit the website of phys department of our university: (physics department of bogazici university)
I see, today, we have two profesors with PhD's from MIT. ( one of them part-time)
and one proffessor with a PhD from Caltech.

best wishes and good luck! :)
 
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Thanks guys! Really appreciate the help. :)
 

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