Green LED in liquid nitrogen turns yellow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of green LEDs when immersed in liquid nitrogen (LN2), specifically the unexpected color shift to yellowish hues. Participants explore the underlying physical principles, potential causes, and variations in LED performance at low temperatures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while most LEDs emit light at shorter wavelengths in LN2, green LEDs exhibit a shift to yellowish colors, prompting questions about the underlying reasons.
  • Another participant questions the initial claim about wavelength changes, suggesting a possible typo and inquiring about the specifics of the LED's construction and behavior at low temperatures.
  • A different participant discusses the relationship between temperature and band gap energy, indicating that the peak emission frequency and spectral width of electroluminescence vary with temperature.
  • Some participants express confusion about the wavelength changes, with one asserting that the shift from orange to red should imply a lengthening of wavelength, thus decreasing energy, and seeking clarification on this point.
  • Another participant mentions that while red, UV, or blue LEDs do not visibly change color in LN2, green LEDs turn orange, referencing videos that show an opposite effect in other LEDs and questioning the consistency of these observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of green LEDs in LN2, with no consensus reached on the reasons for the observed color shift or the implications of temperature on LED performance.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the behavior of LEDs at low temperatures, the specifics of LED construction, and the interpretation of wavelength changes, which remain unresolved.

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Hi,

While experimenting with various LED's in LN2, I noticed some strange behaviour from my green LED's.
As expected all LED's (except the green one's) emitted light with a shorter wavelenth (for instance, my yellow led turned to red etc). However, my 2 (different manufacturer type LED) green LED's turned yellow'ish in liquid nitrogen. At first I thought this had to do with some property of the LED, but the second green LED showed the same shift (to a higher wavelength).

I've thought about this a lot, but I can't think of any reason why the green LED's don't turn blue'ish. Any suggestions how to tackle this (for me still unsolved) mistery?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Physics2.0 said:
As expected all LED's (except the green one's) emitted light with a shorter wavelenth (for instance, my yellow led turned to red etc).

Is that a typo? The red part of the em spectrum is at longer wavelengths than the yellowish part.

Besides that: Nitrogen should not absorb much in the visible, so I guess it is indeed a property of the LED. Do you know some details about the LED? Is there some kind of cavity involved? Are there any localization effects which may play a role at low temperature?

And have you actually measured the intensities or do you judge by eye? The eye is very sensitive in the green, but not really in the UV.
 
What you describe (orange to red and green to yellow) is a shortening of wavelength, in both cases.
This means an increase of energy. It show that the band gap increases when you decrease the temperature.

However it may go the other way, too, in some types of LEDs, I believe.
 
Physics2.0 said:
Hi,
While experimenting with various LED's in LN2, I noticed some strange behaviour from my green LED's.

Both the peak frequency and spectral width of (solid state) electroluminescence vary with temperature. Under the conditions of weak injection (weak biasing), the peak emission frequency hω= E + kT/2, where E is the bandgap energy, k is Boltzmann's constant, h is Planck's constant, and T the temperature. The spectral width Δω≈ 1.8kT/h.

Note, the peak emission is limited by the gap energy.
 
nasu said:
What you describe (orange to red and green to yellow) is a shortening of wavelength, in both cases.
This means an increase of energy.

I thought red is the longest of the visible, so orange to red should mean lengthening, or decreasing the energy. Say, 590 nm to 620 nm.

What am I missing?
 
Yes, you are right. It's my mistake completely. Thank you for pointing this out.
I cannot edit my earlier message now.:cry:
 
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I wondered about similar thing, if it's a good idea to raise this old thread.

Putting red, UV or blue LED in LN does not change their colour visibly.
White LED stops working.

But green LED turns orange.

Videos i seen of that show an orange LED turn green - an opposite direction to my green one turning orange.
The videos explain it as band gap changing, resulting in higher-energy light, i.e. here - http://www.ap.smu.ca/demos/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=181&Itemid=78

However, that is not the case with a green LED.
What is going on there?
 

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