Green's function + method of images

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's function and the method of images in solving potential problems in electrostatics, particularly focusing on boundary conditions and the implications of different geometries. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and practical applications of these methods in various symmetrical contexts.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about applying Green's function when the boundary condition is nonzero, suggesting that adding a constant to the Green's function for a grounded surface might fulfill the boundary conditions.
  • Another participant notes that the method of images is effective primarily for highly symmetric problems, such as spheres or infinite planes, and mentions alternative methods like Fourier series and conformal mapping for different scenarios.
  • A participant seeks confirmation on their understanding of Green's function in the context of a one-dimensional Laplacian problem, indicating a desire for feedback on their approach.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of Green's function for nonzero boundary conditions, and there are differing views on the limitations and applicability of the method of images. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for various boundary conditions and geometries.

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Participants acknowledge the dependence of Green's function on the geometry of the surface and the need for careful consideration of boundary conditions. There is mention of the complexity involved in extending these methods beyond simple geometries.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics and engineering, particularly those focused on electrostatics, mathematical methods in physics, and boundary value problems.

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Hello,

I'm trying to understand the application of Green's function to find the potential better. I apologize in advance if I start mixing things up a little.

From what I understood and seen, we use this method (Green and method of images) in known symmetries (cylindrical/spherical/planar) and the whole catch is to find the function F in G= 1/|x-x'| + F where F has to fulfill Laplace's equation.
This F represents the potential of the charge distribution or point charges outside the volume V that is bounded by the surface S whilst fulfilling the boundary condition (Dirichlet/Neumann).
Also, an important note, Green's function is dependent only on the geometrical shape of the surface we have.

Assuming what I said is fully correct, I'd like to ask the following:

1. Most of the examples I've seen always solved by Green's function and the method of images for the case where the potential on the surface (the boundary condition) is zero (grounded surface).
Well what about the case where the potential on the surface is nonzero?
I know that the method of images is good for replacing some problem with point charges distributed where, at some point given, they all add up to have the potential zero there so I'm not sure how it can be applied here.
I tried answering it by saying, well, I know Green's function for an infinite grounded plane (for example), why not simply add up the constant to it. It fulfills the boundary conditions so it seems okay.
I plug it into the solution for a Dirichlet boundary condition and I'll have that extra element in the final answer (the integral of the charge distribution in the volume -rho- multiplied by the constant potential).

2. Green's function is dependent only on the shape of the surface I have. Well does that mean that for each of the symmetries (that I know their Green function) it is pretty much the same Green function and the only difference from one problem to another is the boundary conditions or how many image charges I have to add?

3. I forgot what I wanted to ask more, I'll update later when I remember.
Thanks in advance!
 
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The point is that the method of images only works for particularly simple, i.e., highly symmetric problems like the sphere or the infinite plane. Other methods are the expansion in generalized Fourier series etc. Have a look at the electrostatic part of Jackson's Classical Electrodynamics. The only important method missing is the method of conformal mapping for 2D problems.
 
My question is focused on solving the Laplacian of the potential in a single dimension (I am aware of the 2D and 3D separation of variables method but it's much more difficult there to use Green's function there).

I just wanted to make sure if I got the whole Green thingy right.

I'd appreciate it if you could look at what I did in the following post:
[PLAIN]https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/finding-the-potential-by-greens-function.808531/[/PLAIN]
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/finding-the-potential-by-greens-function.808531/
 
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