Group Theory: Finite Abelian Groups - An element of order

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The discussion focuses on identifying all abelian groups of order 675 and finding an element of order 45 within those groups. The prime factorization of 675 leads to several group structures, including combinations of cyclic groups like Z_3, Z_5, and Z_9. The challenge arises in finding an element of order 45, which requires the existence of a subgroup U with an order that is a multiple of 45. However, participants express confusion about the feasibility of such a subgroup existing within the constraints of the group order, particularly noting that an order of 90 for U is not possible given the total group order of 675.
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Homework Statement


Decide all abelian groups of order 675. Find an element of order 45 in each one of the groups, if it exists.

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Fundamental Theorem of Finite Abelian Groups
Lagrange's Theorem and its corollaries (not sure if helpful for this problem)

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the Fundamental Theorem of Finite Abelian Groups to find the abelian groups. The prime factorization of 675 is
$$
\begin{split}
675 &= 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 \\
& = 3^{2} \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 = 9 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 \\
& = 3^{3} \cdot 5 \cdot 5 = 27 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 \\
&= 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 5^{2} = 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 25 \\
&= 3^{2} \cdot 3 \cdot 5^{2} = 9 \cdot 3 \cdot 25 \\
&= 3^{3} \cdot 5^{2} = 27 \cdot 25 .\\
\end{split}
$$

and the groups are

$$
\begin{split}
\mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \quad & \land \quad \mathbb{Z}_{9} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \\
\mathbb{Z}_{27} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \quad & \land \quad \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{25} \\
\mathbb{Z}_{9} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{25} \quad & \land \quad \mathbb{Z}_{27} \times \mathbb{Z}_{25} .
\end{split}
$$

I am stuck on the second question "Find an element of order 45 in each one of the groups, if it exists.". I know that I have to find an ##a \in G## (where G is each of the above abelian groups) such that ##order(a) := \#(<a>) = \#(\{k \cdot a : k \in \mathbb{Z}\}) = 45##, where ##\#(\bullet)## is the cardinality of a set; or show that such an element a does not exist.

Hints are very much appreciated.
 
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You surely need a subgroup ##U## with ##45\,|\,|U|\,.## So what about subgroups which contain ##\mathbb{Z}_{45}\,?##
 
fresh_42 said:
You surely need a subgroup ##U## with ##45\,|\,|U|\,.## So what about subgroups which contain ##\mathbb{Z}_{45}\,?##

I don't quite understand. I am really lost on this one. If I am supposed to find a subgroup U with ##45 | |U|##, then this subgroup must have ##|U| = 45, 90, 135, ... ##
 
Given an element ##g## of order ##45## in ##G##, it must be part of a subgroup ##U## with at least ##\mathbb{Z}_{45} \subseteq U##. We have in addition ##|U|\,|\,|G|=675## so ##|U|=90## is not possible.
 
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