Abelian group as a direct product of cyclic groups

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The discussion revolves around the group G = {1, 8, 12, 14, 18, 21, 27, 31, 34, 38, 44, 47, 51, 53, 57, 64} under multiplication mod 65, exploring its classification as a finite abelian group and its potential isomorphism to a direct product of cyclic groups.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the orders of elements in the group and question how to determine the correct isomorphic structure among the options presented. There is consideration of the implications of element orders and the necessity for an element of order 16 in abelian groups.

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Participants are actively exploring the properties of the group, including the orders of its elements and their implications for potential isomorphisms. Some guidance has been offered regarding subgroup considerations and the relationship between the group and its units in the ring.

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There is uncertainty regarding whether the group is well-defined under multiplication mod 65, and participants are checking the validity of their calculations and assumptions about element orders.

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Homework Statement


Consider G = {1, 8, 12, 14, 18, 21, 27, 31, 34, 38, 44, 47, 51, 53, 57, 64} with
the operation being multiplication mod 65. By the classification of finite abelian groups, this
is isomorphic to a direct product of cyclic groups. Which direct product?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Since this abelian group has 16 elements, up to isomorphism there are three options: ##\mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2## or ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2##, or ##\mathbb{Z}_8 \times \mathbb{Z}_2##.

I am not sure how to determine which one...
 
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It would be helpful to know the orders of the elements. And what about ##\mathbb{Z}_{16}## and ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_4 \,## ?
 
fresh_42 said:
It would be helpful to know the orders of the elements. And what about ##\mathbb{Z}_{16}## and ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_4 \,## ?
Oops, forgot about those.

Orders:
|1|=1
|8|=57
|12|=38
|14|=14
|18|=47
|21|=31
|27|=53
|31|=21
|34|=44
|38|=12
|44|=34
|47|=18
|51|=51
|53|=27
|57|=8
|64|=64
 
I haven't checked whether this is a group at all or whether mod 65 makes sense here, but shouldn't the order of an element divide the order of the group?

And ##\mathbb{Z}_{65} = \mathbb{Z}_5 \times \mathbb{Z}_{13}##. Do you know which elements in this groups are multiplicative invertible, i.e. what is ##\mathbb{Z}_{65}^*\,##?
 
fresh_42 said:
I haven't checked whether this is a group at all or whether mod 65 makes sense here, but shouldn't the order of an element divide the order of the group?

And ##\mathbb{Z}_{65} = \mathbb{Z}_5 \times \mathbb{Z}_{13}##. Do you know which elements in this groups are multiplicative invertible, i.e. what is ##\mathbb{Z}_{65}^*\,##?
It's given that its an abelian group.

I made a mistake with the orders. I tried to calculate them again, and got the following:

|1|=1
|8|=4
|12|=4
|14|=2
|18|=4
|21|=4
|27|=4
|31|=4
|34|=4
|38|=4
|44|=4
|47|=4
|51|=2
|53|=4
|57|=4
|64|=2

However, this looks like I am doing something wrong. Because if the group is abelian, then there should be an element of order 16, right?
 
Does the Klein 4-group have an element of order 4? If there is an element of order 16, wouldn't it generate the group? And what about your own list of possible groups? Do they contain elements of order 16?

Which of the groups on your list plus the two missing ##\mathbb{Z}_{16}## and ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_4## can you rule out now?
 
fresh_42 said:
Does the Klein 4-group has an element of order 4? If there is an element of order 16, wouldn't it generate the group? And what about your own list of possible groups? Do they contain elements of order 16?
Oops, I was confusing cyclic and abelian groups. Cyclic groups are abelian, but abelian groups are not necessarily cylic.

Knowing the orders, what should I do next? Should I look at the candidate isomorphic groups to see if they have orders of just 4, 2, and 1 for the identity?
 
See my edit line. You will be left with two possible groups. I would take a subgroup of order 4 and factor it out. Then a group of 4 elements will be left, and there are only two.
 
fresh_42 said:
See my edit line. You will be left with two possible groups. I would take a subgroup of order 4 and factor it out. Then a group of 4 elements will be left, and there are only two.
So I see that we are left with ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_4## and ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2##.

I determined that the orders of the elements of the former exactly match ##G##. Is this sufficient to say that G is isomorphic to ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_4## or do I need to check the orders of the latter too?
 
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I think this is sufficient. You simply don't have enough elements of order 2 for the latter group. In addition if you look at the units in the ring ##\mathbb{Z}_{65}## you get:
$$G \leq \mathbb{Z}_{65}^* \cong \mathbb{Z}_{5}^* \times \mathbb{Z}_{13}^* \cong \mathbb{Z}_{4} \times \mathbb{Z}_{12} \cong \mathbb{Z}_{4} \times \mathbb{Z}_{4} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3}$$
and you have to place a group of order 16 in it.
 
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