Growth/Decay Series: Deriving C=C1*r^n & C1*(1-r)^n

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of formulas for growth and decay in a financial context, specifically focusing on the equations C = C1 * r^n and C = C1 * (1 - r)^n. Participants explore how these formulas can be derived and applied, with examples illustrating the concepts of compounding growth and decay over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if "C" starts with an initial value "C1" and grows or decays at the rate of "r" every "n" time, the formulas C = C1 * r^n and C = C1 * (1 - r)^n can be used to model this process.
  • One participant provides a numerical example with an initial amount of $100 growing at a rate of 5% per year, demonstrating the application of the formula C = C1 * (r)^n.
  • Another participant challenges the phrasing of the growth and decay rates, suggesting that "growing at the rate of r" implies multiplication by r and clarifying that the process involves repeated multiplications based on the time variable.
  • A different participant illustrates the growth process through a step-by-step example, showing how the amount increases over multiple years and questioning how the formula A_n = A_0 * (1 + r)^n is derived.
  • One participant explains the recursive relationship in the growth formula, demonstrating how A_n can be expressed in terms of previous amounts and leading to the general formula A_n = A_0 * (1 + r)^n.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the growth and decay rates, with some agreeing on the formulas while others challenge the initial phrasing and assumptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise derivation and interpretation of the formulas.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the growth and decay rates, particularly regarding the definitions of "growing" and "decaying" and how they apply to fractional time periods. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in the mathematical relationships involved.

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If "C" starts with initial value "C1" and it grows or decays at the rate of "r" every "n" time, then the function that models the growth or the decay of "C" is [tex]C = C_1\cdot {(r)}^n[/tex] and [tex]C = C_1\cdot {(1-r)}^n[/tex], respectively. I know this makes sense but how do you derive such a formula?
 
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If "C" starts with initial value "C1" and it grows or decays at the rate of "r" every "n" time, then the function that models the growth or the decay of "C" is [tex]C = C_1\cdot {(r)}^n[/tex] and [tex]C = C_1\cdot {(1-r)}^n[/tex], respectively. I know this makes sense but how do you derive such a formula?
Well let us do this by using some figures.

Lets say we have $100, and it increases in value at 5% per year.
[tex]C_1=100[/tex]
[tex]r=1.05[/tex]

Using
[tex]C = C_1\cdot {(r)}^n[/tex]

Therefore
[tex]C = 100\cdot {(1.05)}^n[/tex]

After one year it is
C=105

and so on...

Hopefully that helps
 
The way you have phrased it: " grows or decays at the rate of "r" every "n" times" your equations are not correct. "Growing at the rate of r" means "multiplied by r". "Every n times" means that that happens every nth step- everytime the variable, t say, is a multiple of n, there is another "whole" multiplication. If n= 5 and t= 15, there have been t/n= 15/5= 3 multiplications. taking t/n for general values of n allows for fractional periods. The formula for process that "increases or decreases by rate r every nth[/b] time" is
[tex]Cr^{t/n}[/tex] or [tex]C(1-r)^{t/n}[/tex]

If you mean "grows or decays at the rate r for a total of n times, then you are multiplying C by r (or 1- r) repeatedly: C, (C)r= Cr, (Cr)r= Cr2, (Cr2)r= Cr3, etc. The general term is Crn for growth and C(1- r)n for decay.
 
Sorry, its hard to put these things in words for me. Let me explain my question with the aid of an example that Random333 gave.

Say you have $100 dollars in a bank. It increases at the rate of 0.05 every year.

So at the end of the 1st year, the amount is:

[tex]A_1 = 100 + 0.05*100 = 105[/tex]

and at the end of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year the amount, respectively, is:

[tex]A_2 = 105 + 0.05*105 = 110.25[/tex]

[tex]A_3 = 110.25 + 0.05*110.25 = 115.7625[/tex]

[tex]A_4 = 115.7625 + 0.05*115.7625 = 121.550625[/tex]

My question is that how can we model this growth by the following formula:

[tex]A_n = A_0 (1+r)^n[/tex]

I mean, how did they derived such a formula?
 
Well, you have the relationship [itex]A_n = A_{n-1} * (1+r)[/itex], right? Well then, you can plug in that same formula for [itex]A_{n-1}[/itex] and get

[tex]A_n = (A_{n-2}*(1+r))*(1+r)=A_{n-2}*(1+r)^2[/tex]

and more generally,

[tex]A_n = A_{n-m}*(1+r)^m[/tex]

Plugging in [itex]n[/itex] for [itex]m[/itex] gives

[tex]A_n = A_{n-n}*(1+r)^n=A_0 *(1+r)^n[/tex]
 

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