Guide to obtaining research funding or grant writing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around obtaining research funding in the hard sciences, focusing on identifying funding sources and the application process. Participants share their experiences and advice on navigating the complexities of grant writing and funding opportunities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks general advice on finding funding opportunities and writing applications, expressing a beginner's level of knowledge.
  • Another participant notes that funding sources and processes vary widely by field, sub-field, and country, emphasizing the need for specific information to provide tailored advice.
  • It is suggested that university departments and faculty members are crucial resources for identifying funding sources and guiding the grant-writing process.
  • Participants highlight the importance of having a track record and institutional support, noting that funding agencies often prefer applicants affiliated with recognized institutions.
  • One participant mentions the necessity of adhering to strict guidelines and formats required by funding agencies, warning that proposals can be rejected on technicalities.
  • Several participants recommend specific books on effective scientific communication and proposal writing, including "Eloquent Science" and "Writing Science."
  • Another participant introduces the Heilmeier catechism as a useful framework for proposal writing across STEM fields.
  • One participant shares their experience with Department of Defense funding, emphasizing the importance of addressing practical needs and building a good reputation for securing funding.
  • A later reply questions the feasibility of obtaining funding as an unaffiliated individual, prompting a discussion about the participant's own successful experience in consulting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of institutional support and the variability of funding processes. However, there are differing perspectives on the feasibility of obtaining funding as an unaffiliated individual, with some sharing successful experiences while others express skepticism.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific information from the original poster regarding their field and location, which affects the applicability of the advice given. Additionally, the discussion reflects a range of experiences and approaches to funding that may not be universally applicable.

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Hello,

I am looking for advice on where to go to find funding opportunities in the hard sciences, and how to go about the application prcess once a source is identified. I know that is pretty general, but my knowledge is at the beginner's level.

I would take links to websites that talk about funding sources, how to apply, how to write a good application, etc. I have come across many that seem like scams. I would also read a book on these matters, if anyone knows of a good book that covers such topics.

Thank you for any input you have.
 
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The sources and process vary widely depending on field and sub-field. You don't include any specific information, so no specific advice can be given here. Your university department is your best friend, however. Professors in your department and its chairperson know appropriate funding sources for your specialty and are familiar with the grant-writing process. The latter can be daunting since you need to provide a survey of the state-of-art in your field, define your problem, propose your method, establish your credentials, estimate deliverables and costs, etc., not to mention having copy facilities, contracts officers, and mail-rooms to handle the nuts and bolts. If you work at a company that performs outside-funded R&D, all the same comments apply. Note that each agency has its own requirements for format, organization, supporting documentation, page count, etc. so there's really no specific advice or source that can be given here as already noted.

Funding agencies generally want to see a track record of capability even from a new applicant. Your department's or group's reputation based on past work, and access to equipment and facilities, are important in this regard. As a result, the chances of getting funding are near zero if you are just a "private citizen" working on your own from your home. Sorry to sound negative, but you might as well know the score before you start.

Since you indicate a "beginning" state of knowledge, I can recommend a paperback published by the American Meteorological Society called Eloquent Science that covers how to clearly communicate science concepts verbally, in writing and in a presentation. Examples are taken from the meteorology field but the advice on how to construct a scientific paper or talk are universal and are very well presented. It may help you communicate effectively regardless of what your future holds.
 
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marcusl said:
The sources and process vary widely depending on field and sub-field.

And country.

marcusl said:
You don't include any specific information, so no specific advice can be given here.

Agreed. It's perhaps worth pointing out that proposals need to include all the necessary information.
 
mfig said:
Hello,

I am looking for advice on where to go to find funding opportunities in the hard sciences, and how to go about the application prcess once a source is identified. I know that is pretty general, but my knowledge is at the beginner's level.

I would take links to websites that talk about funding sources, how to apply, how to write a good application, etc. I have come across many that seem like scams. I would also read a book on these matters, if anyone knows of a good book that covers such topics.

Thank you for any input you have.

As has been stated, you have to clarify WHERE in the world you are seeking such funding.

In the US, major funding in physics comes from the NSF and DOE. You cannot seek funding from these agencies walking in off the street. You have to be registered by your institution and given an identifier.

Secondly, it is often a senior or another faculty member who has had previous success in seeking such funding that will help and guide you in writing the proposal. In my case, it was my postdoc supervisor. So there has to be someone THERE to help you through this.

Finally, each institution that is registered with, say, the NSF, will have an office or staff whose sole function is to help you writing the proposal and follow the very strict guidelines that each proposal and agency requires. Your proposal may be rejected outright simply on technicality on the very first round (such as exceeding page limit, let's say) without even getting to the merit evaluation part. In the case of NSF, there are even more criteria and requirements that you must have, since the agency is mandated to fulfill certain goals and strategies. These guidelines are not easy, and there has to be someone trained in understanding these criteria to help you. Even long-time faculty members need help from these folks, since the guidelines can change from year to year, and can change depending on the type of funding.

I don't know of anyone who has done this on his/her own, and be successful.

Zz.
 
Indeed, the NSF makes awards to universities, not individuals. You're right that ithout a sponsored research office it's hard to get an award, but without one it's also impossible to spend one.
 
marcusl said:
Since you indicate a "beginning" state of knowledge, I can recommend a paperback published by the American Meteorological Society called Eloquent Science that covers how to clearly communicate science concepts verbally, in writing and in a presentation. Examples are taken from the meteorology field but the advice on how to construct a scientific paper or talk are universal and are very well presented. It may help you communicate effectively regardless of what your future holds.

Eloquent Science: A Practical Guide to Becoming a Better Writer, Speaker, and Atmospheric Scientist 2nd Edition,
by David Schultz (Author)

Cheese and crackers! $54 Cdn for the Kindle edition. Hmm... Ok.

While I was there I picked up this one.

Writing Science: How to Write Papers That Get Cited and Proposals That Get Funded 1st Edition by Joshua Schimel (Author)
 
Aside from what has already been said, I think there is one overarching roadmap for writing a proposal that applies well to basically any STEM field and gives some high-level guidance on what to address. I am specifically talking about the Heilmeier catechism. Otherwise, all of the above is correct.
 
My perspective on research funding is a bit different, since my funding has been dominated by Department of Defense interests and industry sources. These sources are not interested in so much in fundamental physics, but rather they usually have some practical need that they need solved quickly.

Convince them you can meet their need quickly and tell them how much it will cost. If they believe you and don't have another way to solve their problem, they will write you a check. Earn a good reputation by solving the problems as you have promised, and the work and checks will keep coming.
 
You’ve done this as an unaffiliated individual?
 
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marcusl said:
You’ve done this as an unaffiliated individual?

Most of my research funding from DoD and private companies in the defense industry has been through a small consulting company owned by my wife and I - literally a mom and pop shop. It has been my only affiliation since leaving the Air Force Academy in 2013 and is listed on lots of my published papers. In the relevant fields of blast and ballistics, most of the important players know my wife and I by name, but they probably don't even remember the name of our company. Even before I left the Air Force Academy, the consulting company was raking in the research dough at a much higher rate (six figures per year) than I was getting in my official capacity as Air Force Academy faculty (four to five figures a year).
 
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It undoubtedly helped that you were a known player before you began consulting.
 

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