Half life and percentage remaining

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The discussion revolves around the decay of 137Cs, specifically focusing on calculating the fraction remaining after 50 years given its half-life of 30.07 years. Participants are exploring concepts related to radioactive decay and the mathematical modeling of such processes.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the remaining fraction of 137Cs using different approaches, including decay rates and half-life calculations. There are questions about the correct formulation of the decay equation and the interpretation of the results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the validity of their methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct differential equation for decay, but there is no consensus on the approach to take or the final answer.

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Some participants express uncertainty about solving the differential equation presented, and there is mention of potentially relevant equations involving exponential functions. The lack of a total mass for 137Cs is also noted as a constraint in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


137Cs has a half life t1/2 = 30.07 years. After 50 years, what fraction of 137Cs will remain?

Homework Equations


maybe...
dN/dλ = λN
λ = ln2/t1/2, half life in seconds
N = Total mass /(137(1.67x10-17kg))

The Attempt at a Solution


i thought maybe i needed to figure out a decay rate at first but i don't have a total mass. unless i just use the mass of the cesium. so my N will simply equal 1/(1.67x10-17)

but that gives me a huge number. 43 million decays per second.

so then i thought if i lose 50% in 30 years. then in 20 years, which is 66% the amount of time needed for another half life to pass, then i should lose 66% of the 50% which is only 33%. so in 50 years i lose 33% of the 50% lost in the first 30 years. but then i get lost in my logic and don't know how to proceed.

edit: if i take .50 - .33 = .17. then add the .17 to the .50 i get .67. this makes sense to me as after two half lives have passed then .75 of the Cs will be left over.
 
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nmsurobert said:

Homework Statement


137Cs has a half life t1/2 = 30.07 years. After 50 years, what fraction of 137Cs will remain?

Homework Equations


maybe...
dN/dλ = λN
This equation is incorrect. It should read:

$$\frac{dN}{dt}=-\lambda N$$

where
λ = ln2/t1/2, half life in seconds

If t1/2 = 30.07 years, from this equation, what is the value of λ?

If N = N0 at time t = 0, do you know how to solve the above differential equation for the value of N at arbitrary time t (in terms of N0, λ, and t)?

Chet
 
i do not know how to solve that equation.

but what i did was 50/30.07 = 1.66. and if 2-1 is .5. then 2-1.66 is .68. which leave 32% of the cesium remaining.
 
nmsurobert said:
i do not know how to solve that equation.

but what i did was 50/30.07 = 1.66. and if 2-1 is .5. then 2-1.66 is .68. which leave 32% of the cesium remaining.
If you do not know how to solve that equation, and are not expected to be able to solve it, then you must have been given another relevant equation. Maybe one involving e?
 
nmsurobert said:
i do not know how to solve that equation.

but what i did was 50/30.07 = 1.66. and if 2-1 is .5. then 2-1.66 is .68. which leave 32% of the cesium remaining.
Yes. I agree with haruspex. On what mathematical basis did you choose this expression over the infinite number of other possibilities available?

Chet
 

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