Hamilton Jacobi equation for time dependent potential

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on solving the Hamilton Jacobi equation for a time-dependent potential defined as $$H = \frac{p^2}{2m} - mAtx$$, where A is a constant. The equation to solve is $$\frac{1}{2m}\frac{\partial S}{\partial x}^2 - mAtx + \frac{\partial S}{\partial t} = 0$$. A proposed ansatz for the principal function S is $$S(x,t) = xf(t) + g(t)$$, which allows for the cancellation of terms in the Hamilton-Jacobi equation. The discussion highlights the challenges of finding a solution due to the squared term and the limitations of existing methods, particularly in the context of time-dependent Hamiltonians.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Hamilton's Principal function and its formulation
  • Familiarity with Hamilton-Jacobi theory and its applications
  • Knowledge of partial differential equations, particularly non-linear types
  • Basic concepts of classical mechanics, including potential energy and momentum
NEXT STEPS
  • Research advanced techniques in solving non-linear partial differential equations
  • Explore Hamilton's equations and their relation to Hamilton-Jacobi theory
  • Study the implications of time-dependent Hamiltonians in classical mechanics
  • Investigate the use of ansatz methods in solving differential equations
USEFUL FOR

Students and researchers in theoretical physics, particularly those focusing on classical mechanics and dynamical systems, will benefit from this discussion. It is also relevant for anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of Hamilton-Jacobi theory in the context of time-dependent potentials.

DanielA
Messages
27
Reaction score
2

Homework Statement


Suppose the potential in a problem of one degree of freedom is linearly dependent upon time such that
$$H = \frac{p^2}{2m} - mAtx $$ where A is a constant. Solve the dynamical problem by means of Hamilton's principal function under the initial conditions t = 0, x = 0, ##p = mv_0##

Homework Equations


Hamilton's Principal function is of from S(x, P, t) or ##S(x,\alpha,t)## where alpha is a constant of motion.

Hamilton Jacobi equation:
$$\frac{1}{2m}\frac{\partial S}{\partial x}^2 - mAtx + \frac{\partial S}{\partial t} = 0$$

The Attempt at a Solution


In class today my professor admitted he just trial and errored to find S. I've been trying to do it, but I can't find any working solution. I recognize S will be some polynomial in form, with multiple mixed terms, but the squared term messed up any simpler solution I've tried. I've only attempted to get a similar functional form and iterate it and mess with constants out front to get it exact.
I've tried quadratic forms like ##(x-t)^2## and similar with the goal of crossing out the ##x^2 ## and ##t^2## terms to leave only the cross terms. I briefly considered attempting a Fourier Transform style solution like we were learning in Math Methods before realizing it wouldn't work.

I found a solution on Stack Exchange, but they use the solution obtained by hamilton's equations to obtain the principal function which just defeats the purpose it doing this. I know hamilton jacobi theory heavily favors time independent hamiltonians, but doing the above just makes me think that the whole question was pointless. https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...cobi-equation-with-time-dependent-hamiltonian

I'm just trying to find a method that can deal with the square or maybe a discussion on how to make educated guesses on a solution. All my searching of my textbooks and google have only given me solutions to linear partial differential equations which this one isn't because of the squared term.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
This is probably not going to be too satisfying. But, if you can motivate the ansatz ##S(x,t) = xf(t) + g(t)##, then it is not hard to determine functions ##f(t)## and ##g(t)## that will work.

Note that with this ansatz, ##\frac {\partial S}{\partial t} = x f'(t) + g'(t)##

##f'(t)## can then be chosen so that the ##xf'(t)## term cancels the middle term of the Hamilton-Jacobi equation. Also, ##\frac {\partial S}{\partial x} = f(t)## and will therefore be a function of ##t## alone. So, the ##g'(t)## term in ##\frac {\partial S}{\partial t} ## can be chosen to cancel the first term in the H-J equation.

Hopefully, someone else can provide a better approach.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
6K