Hamiltonian/Angular Momentum Commuter

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The discussion revolves around proving that the Hamiltonian commutes with each component of angular momentum under the condition that the potential depends only on the radial distance r. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition on the commutation relations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the commutation relations involving the Hamiltonian and angular momentum, expressing uncertainty about the implications of the potential's dependence on r. Some participants suggest using the position representation to evaluate the commutators, while others provide insights into the rotational invariance of the Hamiltonian.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various insights and clarifications. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of derivatives related to the potential, and the discussion reflects a productive exploration of the topic without reaching a consensus.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the interpretation of the potential V(r) and its dependence on the radial distance, with participants questioning whether it can take on forms beyond linearity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the nature of V(r) and its implications for the problem.

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I'm having trouble proving that the Hamiltonian commutes with each component of angular momentum as long as the potential only depends on r.

I have gotten to the following step:

<br /> [H,L_x] = [\frac{p^2}{2m} + V(r), L_x] = [V(r), L_x]<br />

<br /> [V(r), L_x] = [V(r), yp_z - zp_y] <br />

<br /> = V(r)yp_z - V(r)zp_y - yp_zV(r) + zp_yV(r)<br />

<br /> = y[V(r), p_z] - z[V(r), p_y]<br />I'm not sure where to go from here... the problem states that V depends only on r but I'm not sure if I should interperet that as V being linear in terms or r or if there can be higher powers. Help, please!
 
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V(r) is meant to be a general function of r = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2 + x^2}. The simplest way to evaluate those commutators is to use the position representation where \vec{p} = - i \hbar \vec{\nabla}. You will find that the key feature is that V depends on x, y, z only through r.
 
Thank you!
 
eep said:
Thank you!

Physics Monkey already gave you the answer..Let me just add that it will be useful to use

{\partial V \over \partial z} = {\partial V \over \partial r} {\partial r \over \partial z}

and so on.

Patrick
 
The fact that \hat{H} is rotationally invariant follows simply from the fact that V depends only on |\vec{r}|. Since the rotation group is SO(3) and its generators are the angular momentum operators, it follows by definition that

[\hat{L}_{i},\hat{H}]_{-} =\hat{0} , \forall \ i=1,2,3..


Daniel.
 

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