Hamiltonian Cylinder: Mass m, Radius R, Force F=-kx

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The discussion focuses on the Hamiltonian mechanics of a particle of mass m constrained to move on the surface of a cylinder with radius R, subjected to a force F = -kx directed towards the origin. The participants analyze the Lagrangian L and Hamiltonian H formulations, specifically addressing the cancellation of constant terms in the potential energy. It is established that constant terms can be omitted in Hamiltonian equations since they do not affect the equations of motion derived from H. The importance of recognizing constant terms in the context of Hamiltonian mechanics is emphasized.

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Homework Statement


Particle of mass m constrained to move on the surface of a cylinder radius R, where R^2 = x^2 + y^2. Particle subject to force directed towards origin and related by F = -kx

Homework Equations


L = T - U
H = T + U

The Attempt at a Solution


So I have the solution, but not sure why they did a step. Here goes:
They find that L = \frac{1}{2}m(R^2\dot{\theta^2} + \dot{z^2} - \frac{1}{2}k(R^2 + z^2), which I agree with.

They then find that p_{\theta} = mR^2\dot{\theta}, and p_z = m\dot{z}, and then then since H = T+U they state that H = \frac{1}{2}m(R^2(\frac{p_{\theta}}{mR^2})^2 + (\frac{p_z}{m})^2 - \frac{1}{2}kz^2. My question is where did the \frac{1}{2}mR^2 in the potential energy go? Why did they cancel it? I know that it is constant, and everything else seems to have a varying component, but why does that mean you can simply do away with it? Is this always the case?

Thanks,
Ari
 
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The last term of H has the wrong sign.

It looks like they dropped the term because it's a constant, and yes, you can always throw it out. The equations of motion depend in the derivatives of H, so a constant term won't make a difference.
 
Yeah, your right, the sign is wrong. I understand that the equations of motion are based on the derivatives, and thus all constant terms are thrown out, but I assumed that if the question asked for the Hamiltonian and no further, that these constant terms would still be included. If it doesn't matter though, then thanks for the clarification!

Ari
 

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