Find Object Position for Upright and 4x Sized Image | Concave Mirror Formula

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The discussion revolves around determining the object position for a concave mirror with a given focal length, where the resulting image is upright and four times the size of the object. The subject area is optics, specifically the behavior of concave mirrors and image formation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relevant formulas for image formation, including magnification and the mirror equation. Some express confusion regarding how to apply the known values and relationships between object distance and image distance.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between object distance, image distance, and magnification. Some participants have suggested using a ray diagram for better visualization, while others have pointed out the importance of sign conventions. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of magnification to relate object and image distances.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating the given information, particularly the focal length and the requirement for the image to be upright and magnified. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the sign conventions for concave mirrors.

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Stumped...lol..

A concave mirror has a focal length of 62.4 cm.
Determine the object position for which the resulting image is upright and four times the size of the object.

What formula do I use for this question? :confused:
 
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h'/h = -q/p
1/p + 1/q = 1/f
 
haha...i already knew those formulas.
but what's stumping me is...i only know f and the magnitude -.-
is there something that I'm not seeing? i can be totally blind sometimes!
 
I don't understand. What is "-.-"? Try drawing a ray diagram to help you visualize. Beware of the sign conventions for the concave mirror (which I don't recall off the top of my head).
 
What is the answer meant to be?
 
Aerospace said:
haha...i already knew those formulas.
but what's stumping me is...i only know f and the magnitude -.-
is there something that I'm not seeing? i can be totally blind sometimes!
You have all the info needed to solve this problem, you're just not putting things together. The fact that the image is upright means that the linear magnification is positive: in this case m = +4. Now use the definition of m to write the object distance (p) in terms of the image distance (q). Then when you plug into the mirror equation, you can solve for p.
 
yup because
m = distance of image/distance of object so we can say that m = 4 hence
di = 4 x do (where i and o represent image and object)

Then we can plug that into the equation for focal length which is
1/di + 1/do = 1/f
and we know the f, so we can solve for 'do' to get the answer :)

thanks very much.
 

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