Harmonic Motion Lecture: Deriving Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of equations related to harmonic motion, specifically focusing on pendulum motion with an extended object. Participants are examining the mathematical expressions provided and seeking clarification on the relationships between angular frequencies and the nature of the motion described.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derived equation for pendulum motion and expresses confusion regarding the term ω(initial)/Ω.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the motion being classified as simple harmonic motion (SHM), noting that in SHM, the frequency does not change.
  • A different participant suggests a standard form of SHM, questioning if the original equation aligns with that form.
  • Another participant analyzes the equation θ(t) = θ cos(Ωt) + (ω/Ω)sin(Ωt) and suggests it does not resemble typical SHM.
  • One participant raises a question about the context of the equation, speculating whether the ωi term accounts for non-linearity in the restoring force of the pendulum, indicating that frequency may be amplitude-dependent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the derived equations represent simple harmonic motion, and there is no consensus on the interpretation of the ωi term or its implications for the model.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the derived equations, particularly concerning the nature of the restoring force and the implications of the ωi term on the motion described.

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I had a lecture regarding harmonic motion.
he also derived equation related to pendulum motion with extended object and equation is following.(motion is a simple harmonic motion)
d^2θ/dt^2+(RcmMg)θ/I=0

θ(t) = θcos(Ωt)+(ω/Ω)sin(Ωt) where Ω is defined angular frequency oscillation for all types of pendulums and ω is defined angular frequency for all linear motion such as mass and spring system.

I don't get how he derived ω(initial)/Ω...
can anyone explain to me?
 
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Welcome to PF;
Have you found the general solution to:$$\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}+\frac{MgR_{cm}}{I} \theta = 0$$...in a form that does not have that ##\frac{\omega_{i}}{\Omega}## in it?

But that does not look like SHM to me.
In SHM - the frequency does not change.
 
are you talking about

\vartheta(t)=Acos(\omegat+\phi)?
 
I don't know - was I?
That would be SHM all right.

You wanted to know about: θ(t) = θ cos(Ωt)+(ω/Ω)sin(Ωt)
Looking at it properly I see that the the equation seems to be saying:$$\theta(t)=\frac{\frac{\omega}{\Omega}\sin(\Omega t)}{1-\cos(\Omega t)}$$... which is nothing like SHM right?
 
What was it attempting to model? That equation of motion and boundary conditions must have come from somewhere. We need to know what the ωi term is supposed to represent. Is it an attempt to take into account the non-linearity of the restoring force in a pendulum (the frequency is amplitude dependent and, hence it is time dependent if it is decaying, for instance)
 

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