Harmonic oscillator eigenvector/eigenvalue spectrum

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The discussion revolves around the eigenvector and eigenvalue spectrum of a harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the inductive proof of eigenvalues associated with the Hamiltonian operator. Participants are exploring the relationships between operators and their eigenstates.

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  • The original poster attempts to prove an inductive hypothesis regarding eigenvalues, starting with the base case and moving to the inductive step. Participants discuss the commutation relations between the Hamiltonian and creation/annihilation operators, and how these relate to the eigenstates.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and discussing the implications of their findings. There is a focus on the assumptions made about the eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly in the context of the inductive step. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of commutation relations to reorder terms.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the eigenvalues of the Hamiltonian, particularly whether they are equal to n or another value. The original poster is working within the constraints of an induction proof, which may limit the information they can use.

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the problem is attached as an image.

im having troubles with the question. I'm assuming this is an induction question?
i can prove it for the basis step n=0.

but I am having trouble as to what i have to do for n+1 (inductive step).

any help or hints would be great!thanks
 

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What is the commutator of [itex]H[/itex] and [itex]a^\dagger[/itex]?
 
N=a†a

[N,a†]=a†
[N,a]=-a
 
What about [itex]H[/itex]?
 
[H,a†] = [itex]\hbar[/itex][itex]\omega[/itex]a†

[H,a] = -[itex]\hbar[/itex][itex]\omega[/itex]a
 
[itex]\phi_{n+1} = \left( n + 1 \right)^{-\frac{1}{2}} a^\dagger \phi_n[/itex] gives [itex]H \phi_{n+1} = \left( n + 1 \right)^{-\frac{1}{2}} H a^\dagger \phi_n[/itex]. Now use the commutator to reorder [itex]H a^\dagger[/itex].
 
re-order how?

by using: Ha†=[itex]\hbar\omega[/itex]a† + a†H
?
 
Yes.
 
i then get:

=(n+1)-1/2(a†[itex]\hbar\omega[/itex]+a†H)[itex]\phi[/itex]n
=[itex]\hbar\omega[/itex][itex]\phi[/itex]n+1 + (n+1)-1/2a†H[itex]\phi[/itex]n

not sure what to do from here..
 
  • #10
The inductive step assumes what about [itex]H\phi_n[/itex]?
 
  • #11
it assumes that Hϕn = nϕn

i.e. that ϕn is an eigenvector of H. n being the eigenvalue


=> = ([itex]\hbar\omega[/itex]+n)ϕn+1

?
 
  • #12
jtaa said:
it assumes that Hϕn = nϕn

i.e. that ϕn is an eigenvector of H.

The inductive step assumes that [itex]\phi_n[/itex] is an eigenvector of [itex]H[/itex], but it doesn't assume that the associated eigenvalue is [itex]n[/itex]. Energies are eigenvalues of the Hamiltonian, so call the the eigenvalue [itex]E_n[/itex]. Maybe [itex]E_n = n[/itex], but maybe it doesn't. Let's find out!
jtaa said:
i can prove it for the basis step n=0.

What is the eigenvalue of [itex]H[/itex] associated with the eigenvector [itex]\phi_0[/itex]?
 
  • #13
0=[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex]ℏωϕ0

So, E0=[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex]ℏω

=> Hϕn+1 = ℏωϕn+1+Enϕn+1
?
 
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  • #14
Right.
 
  • #15
can i simply say after that:
the energies are:

En=hw(n+[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex])

?
 

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