Harnessing Energy from Black Holes: Possibility or Fantasy?

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The discussion explores the potential for harnessing energy from black holes, focusing on concepts such as Hawking radiation, the Penrose process, and gravitational waves. Participants consider theoretical frameworks, practical challenges, and speculative applications related to energy extraction from black holes and their implications for future technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of harnessing energy from Hawking radiation, suggesting that stellar mass black holes emit less radiation than other sources, such as the cosmic microwave background (CMB).
  • Others propose the Penrose process as a method for extracting energy from spinning black holes, though they note the significant challenge of building a civilization around a black hole and the difficulties in transferring that energy to Earth.
  • One participant humorously compares the idea of harnessing energy from black holes to using unicorns, indicating skepticism about the practicality of such concepts.
  • A participant raises the possibility of using gravitational waves detected by LIGO as an energy source, although another counters that the energy extracted is minimal and not practical for use.
  • There is discussion about the potential for using lasers to transmit energy from the Penrose process, but concerns are raised about the inefficiency of laser beams over interstellar distances and the risks associated with powerful lasers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some skepticism about the practicality of harnessing energy from black holes and others exploring theoretical possibilities. No consensus is reached on the feasibility of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the practicality of energy transfer methods, the assumptions underlying the Penrose process, and the challenges of using gravitational waves as a viable energy source.

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Whether it be through Hawking radiation, miniature black holes, or even white holes, is it possible that one day energy could be harnessed from black holes and used on earth?
 
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Hawking radiation I doubt. For a stellar mass black hole you'd actually get more heat coming from the blackest part of the night sky. Larger holes emit less radiation (so are net absorbers of energy, until the CMB cools below their Hawking temperature) and we aren't yet aware of a process that would create small black holes.

Roger Penrose developed the Penrose process, which is a method of dropping stuff into a spinning black hole, slowing its spin, and extracting energy from that. It's basically using the hole as a gigantic flywheel. However, you'd have to build your civilisation around a black hole. Transferring energy across interstellar distances to use on Earth would be problematic.
 
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Ibix said:
For a stellar mass black hole you'd actually get more heat coming from the blackest part of the night sky.
...which means you could use the CMB and a black hole as the high and low temperature reservoirs of a classical heat engine, I suppose.

A damn silly way to boil a kettle (of liquid helium), as someone (almost) said of nuclear reactors.
 
Ibix said:
However, you'd have to build your civilisation around a black hole. Transferring energy across interstellar distances to use on Earth would be problematic .
would be awesome
 
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SiennaTheGr8 said:
would be awesome
So would unicorns but don't hold your breath.
 
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phinds said:
unicorns
We could use them to pull carts full of batteries!
 
Thank you for your replies. I am new to this, but could there be any application from the recent detections of gravitational waves at LIGO to harnessing energy? For example, could gravitational waves from black holes be used as an energy source? If you know of any related scientific papers, I would love to see them.
 
Also, you mentioned that in the Penrose process it is difficult to transfer energy across interstellar distances. I know that there is current technology being developed to beam energy from space down through Earth’s atmosphere using lasers. Could the energy from the Penrose process be carried by a laser through space, and then brought down to Earth’s surface using this technology?
 
luke m said:
could there be any application from the recent detections of gravitational waves at LIGO to harnessing energy?
Gravitational waves do carry energy and the LIGO detectors do extract energy - but it is just barely on the edge of detectability. It's not a practical energy source.
luke m said:
Could the energy from the Penrose process be carried by a laser through space, and then brought down to Earth’s surface using this technology?
Laser beams spread out. Not very much across a room, but over interstellar distances they spread a lot. So most of the energy doesn't reach Earth - the beam spreads and it misses its target. That's a really wasteful way of transmitting energy. Also, a laser that carries significant power can be used as a weapon. That's a fairly major issue for orbit-to-surface beams. Interstellar beamed power would need a devastatingly powerful laser.
 

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