Harnessing the power of lightning

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to harness the power of lightning, exploring theoretical and experimental approaches. Participants consider various techniques for creating conductive channels to tap into atmospheric electric charges, as well as the challenges associated with utilizing lightning as a power source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests creating a conductive channel using a continuous wave laser to form a plasma channel, though they express skepticism about the feasibility due to high power requirements.
  • Another participant proposes using dielectric breakdown of air but questions its viability for harnessing lightning.
  • A third approach involves generating a beam of positively charged ions to create a positive streamer, which could connect to a Single Ended Primary Inductor Converter (SEPIC) for charging capacitors.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of inducing a lightning strike by firing a rocket with a thin wire into a thunderhead, highlighting the challenge of managing the power delivered in a short duration.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a constant conductive channel for continuous discharge rather than relying on sporadic lightning strikes.
  • There is a suggestion that directing lightning to a location where it can be stepped down to a usable voltage is a significant challenge.
  • A reference is made to a book about Charles Steinmetz, who conducted experiments with lightning, suggesting that his contributions are underappreciated in modern education.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods for harnessing lightning, with no consensus on the most effective approach. Some focus on creating a continuous discharge channel, while others consider inducing strikes or directing them for practical use.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions regarding the feasibility of different methods, including the power requirements for lasers and the nature of dielectric breakdown. There are unresolved questions about the practical implementation of proposed techniques.

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I was thinking to create a feasible method to effectively harness power of lightning. Even though lightning does not have enough power to meet global energy requirement, i was intending to do it for knowledge's sake.

I realized, in order to tap into the vast electric charges of clouds, it was necessary to create a conductive channel so that the charges get a conductive path.

i found it was possible by

1)by creating a plasma channel by a laser, but it would have to be cw(continuous wave) laser so that the channel can be maintained. But I believe that is impossible since the power requirements of the said laser would be humongous.

2)by dielectric breakdown of air, which is not possible for lightning harnessing purposes

3) By creating a beam of positively charged ions and artificially creating positive streamer.

this channel can be electrically connected with a Single ended primary inductor converter which in turn can be used to charge capacitors. These capacitors can be of a high discharging time and less charging time. these capacitors can then directly be used to power equipment or convert dc into ac at required frequencies using power inverter.

now my questions are
1) does sepics of such rating exist which can handle 30 kA ?
2) is there a wavelength at which air ionization occurs at very low energy ?
3) how far can a positively charged ion beam go before getting neutralized ?
 
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Or you could induce a lightning strike the same way everyone else does it. Fire a small rocket into a thunderhead, trailing a very thin wire. I think the bigger problem would be figuring out how to do something useful with a huge amount of power delivered over a very short time duration.
 
there exist a constant potential difference between upper atmosphere and Earth surface, lightning occurs when dielectric breakdown of air occurs. I intend to harness the potential of the atmosphere itself. Firing a rocket and having a sudden discharge does not satisfy what I'm intending to do. I intend to create a constant channel through which discharging should occur continuously. This would take out the variation in intensity of each strike and thus a small variation in supply would be faced by equipment.
 
I don't think the issue here is to induce a strike, but rather how to direct it to a location where it can be stepped down to a usable voltage. As far as finding a lightning bolt goes, just build this hypothetical power station in a frequently stormy place.
 
there exista a book "Mpdern Jupiter" about Charles Steinmetz, who in addition to being a genius equal to Tesla ran experiments with lightning.

He seems to have been written out of US textbooks after WW2, i suppose because of his socialist leanings.



http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?invid=10815432021&noworks=1&qtit=Charles+Proteus+Steinmetz&browse=1&qsort=&page=1

anyhow, every aspiring EE should be aware of him.

old jkim
 

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