Has acupuncture or cupping been proven to work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficacy of acupuncture and cupping, exploring whether these practices have been proven to work in terms of relieving illnesses, pain, or other health issues. Participants delve into the historical context, mechanisms of action, and the role of the placebo effect in these therapies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the effects of acupuncture and cupping may largely stem from the placebo effect and endorphin release.
  • Others argue that acupuncture can have long-lasting effects on certain types of chronic pain, although the exact mechanisms remain unclear.
  • A participant questions the historical validity of acupuncture, suggesting that its long-standing practice does not necessarily imply efficacy.
  • Some claim that studies show no significant medical benefits from acupuncture beyond placebo, citing evidence that sham acupuncture yields similar results to real acupuncture.
  • There is a discussion about the historical context of medical practices, comparing acupuncture to outdated Western medical beliefs, such as the theory of humors.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of definitive evidence supporting the claims made by acupuncture proponents, with calls for published studies to substantiate these claims.
  • Participants note that while some herbal remedies may have origins in plants, they argue that many herbal treatments lack scientific validation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the efficacy of acupuncture and cupping. Some believe in their potential benefits, while others are skeptical and emphasize the role of placebo effects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on anecdotal evidence, the complexity of measuring placebo effects, and the historical context of medical practices that may influence current perceptions.

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I really get sick of the bad name herbal medicine gets. Most modern pharmaceuticals have herbal/natural roots. Yes we refine them and concentrate them, but that doesn't make the original substance worthless or a sham. If a plant was found tomorrow that could cure cancer when eaten it would be claimed as a sham right up until its refined form was patented.

As for the burden of proof and scams, sure nobody is going to make enough money on these things to pay for irrefutable studies. Sure there are scam artists out there who sell vitamins and make outrageous claims. There are also scam artists who sell pills for outrageous prices with the claim that they will fix everything. We call them pharmaceutical corporations.

As for acupuncture, I have no direct experience but I will admit the plausibility of a working connection. I still have no clue why my sinuses clear up when I do yoga, but it works. There are so many things we still don't know.
 
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