Has Speed of Light Always Stayed Same?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the constancy of the speed of light, particularly in the context of the inflationary period following the big bang. Participants explore whether the speed of light could have varied over time and the implications of such a hypothesis on cosmological observations and fundamental physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the inflationary theory and proposes that the speed of light may have been virtually infinite at the moment of creation, suggesting it could have slowed down over time.
  • Another participant argues that if the speed of light were faster in the past, it would lead to observable consequences in distant galaxies, potentially resulting in frequency dilation rather than just redshift.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while the physics governing light might have differed during inflation, the speed of causality is what is fundamentally important, not the speed of light itself.
  • One participant emphasizes that the numerical value of the speed of light is a result of unit choice and questions the meaningfulness of discussing its change over time.
  • There is a reiteration that observable changes would relate to unitless constants rather than the speed of light itself, and that discussing its variation lacks significance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the speed of light could have changed over time, with some suggesting it is a meaningful question and others arguing against its relevance. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions and the implications of unit choice when discussing the speed of light. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of physical laws during different cosmic epochs.

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I have always felt that the inflationary period immediately following
the 'big bang' is a contrived theory, and this leads me to ask if the
speed of light has always been the same figure.

The reason I ask this is that to explain the initial rapid expansion,
I wondered if the speed of light could have been virtually infinite at
the moment of creation and subsequently slowed down on an
exponential curve? I feel that this might be a more natural way to
account for inflation.

This would mean that speed of light continues to slow, although
at the present time the change would be very hard to detect.

If the speed of light must always be the same figure, why that
particular number?
 
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The speed of light is more than just the speed of light. It is a fundamental constant that contributes to determining the strength of the electromagnetic force. If we were to say the speed of light were faster in the past, I expect this would have observable consequences in distant galaxies that would be different from the redshift we see already. In particular, we might see a frequency dilation (a spreading of the spectrum) rather than just a frequency shift from the doppler effect.
 
It's possible that the physics that governed light was slightly different during inflation, but that's not the same thing. The speed of light is not special, the speed of causality is. Light happens to travel at the speed of causality because it has no mass, everything without mass travels the same speed. It's that number because of the fabric of spacetime and how space and time they are connected mathematically.
 
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The number c has the numerical value it has simply because of our choice of units. More detail here:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/3644/the-origin-of-the-value-of-speed-of-light
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/144262/why-do-universal-constants-have-the-values-they-do

Because c has units, it doesn't make sense to ask whether it has changed over time. More detail here:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/34874/has-the-speed-of-light-changed-over-time
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/34874/has-the-speed-of-light-changed-over-time
jfizzix said:
If we were to say the speed of light were faster in the past, I expect this would have observable consequences in distant galaxies that would be different from the redshift we see already. In particular, we might see a frequency dilation (a spreading of the spectrum) rather than just a frequency shift from the doppler effect.

No, you can't conclude this. What's observable is if a unitless constant such as the fine structure constant has changed.

newjerseyrunner said:
It's possible that the physics that governed light was slightly different during inflation, but that's not the same thing.

No, it's not meaningful to talk about whether the speed of light was different at another time.

All of the things people have said about c being more than just the speed of light are true, but not relevant.
 
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