Have to find the stationary points on the graph y = 3sin^2x

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The discussion revolves around finding the stationary points of the function y = 3sin²x. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the derivative dy/dx equals zero, which involves analyzing the factors of the derivative expression.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the factors of the derivative and what conditions must hold for their product to be zero. There is an exploration of the solutions for sin(x) and cos(x) being zero, with some questioning the completeness of the solutions provided.

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Participants have provided various insights into the problem, including identifying specific solutions within a defined interval. There is an acknowledgment of multiple solutions, and some participants are clarifying the allowed region for x, which influences the total number of solutions considered.

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One participant specifies that the region of interest for x is from 0 to 2π, which is relevant for determining the complete set of stationary points.

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y = 3sin^2x
dy/dx = 3(2sinxcosx)
dy/dx = 6sinxcosx
For stationary points dy/dx = 0
6sinxcosx = 0
Can you help me from this point please?
 
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You have three factors, 6, sin(x) and cos(x). What must be true for their product to be equal to zero?
 
Hello Orodruin,
Thank you for your help.
sin(x) = 0 x = Pi
cos(x) = 0 x = pi/2 and 3pi/2
 
Zander Forrester said:
sin(x) = 0 x = Pi
This is one of many solutions.

Zander Forrester said:
cos(x) = 0 x = pi/2 and 3pi/2
These are two of many solutions.

Unless you specify the allowed region of x, you need to account for all solutions.
 
Hello again Orodruin,
Region was from 0 to 2pi.
Thank you again for your help.
 
Zander Forrester said:

Homework Statement

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

[/B]
y = 3sin^2x
dy/dx = 3(2sinxcosx)
dy/dx = 6sinxcosx
For stationary points dy/dx = 0
6sinxcosx = 0
Can you help me from this point please?
Your 2nd equation can be written as dy/dx = 3(sin(2x)), so it's just a matter of finding where sin(2x) = 0 on the interval [0, 2π].
 
Zander Forrester said:
Hello again Orodruin,
Region was from 0 to 2pi.
Thank you again for your help.
So, there are a total of 5 solutions; you have given only three.
 
Thank you again.
 
Have you ever seen sinxcosx in a formula before?

Maybe you could use it for a neater solution with fewer oversights
 
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Ray Vickson said:
So, there are a total of 5 solutions; you have given only three.

Zander Forrester said:
Thank you again.
Were you able to find the other two solutions?
 
  • #11
Thanks for your reply.
The textbook gave the three answers I submitted.
With sin(2x) = 0
2x = 0, 180, 360, 540 and 720
X = 0,90,180, 270 and 360
X = 0, pi/2, pi, 3pi/2 and 2pi.
Zander
 
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Zander Forrester said:
X = 0, pi/2, pi, 3pi/2 and 2pi.
These look like five solutions to me.
 

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