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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the function (y^2*sin(x)^2)/(x^4+y^4) as (x,y) approaches (0,0). The original poster notes that the textbook states the limit does not exist.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore various paths to approach the limit, including along the x-axis and y-axis, and question the effectiveness of these paths in proving the limit. The original poster attempts to apply the squeeze theorem but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed. Others suggest testing additional paths and reconsidering previous calculations.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of different paths to determine the limit. Some participants have provided guidance on re-evaluating specific calculations, while others question the applicability of the squeeze theorem in this context. Multiple interpretations of the limit's behavior are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the limit appears to yield 0 when approached along certain paths, but there is uncertainty about the overall limit's existence. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of the squeeze theorem and the implications of their findings.

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Homework Statement


Find the limit, if it exists, or show that the limit does
not exist:

lim (x,y) -> (0,0) [(y^2*sin(x)^2)/(x^4+y^4)]

(According to the textbook the limit 'does not exist')


The Attempt at a Solution



Since the function is approaching the origin [(0,0)]:

test path along y-axis:
let x = 0
lim (y) -> (0) [0/y^4] = 0

test path along x-axis:
let y = 0
lim (x) -> (0) [0/x^4] = 0

This is not efficient enough to prove that the limit is 0, therefore investigate further possibly using the squeeze theorem.

I know that [(y^2)/(x^4+y^4)] <= 1 (but i don't know what to do with this information)

0 <= [(y^2*sin(x)^2)/(x^4+y^4)] <= **

** Here is where i got stuck. I do not know what function fits the criteria and how to look for it. Please excuse me I just learned this theorem recently and I'm hoping someone can help me.
 
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So you now know that the limit is zero if you approach ##(0,0)## from the x-axis (or y-axis). Can you find another path that will give you a nonzero limit?
 
So far I've tried:

let y = x
let y = x^2
let y = x^3
let y = sqrt(x)

and got 0 for all. Is it possible to solve using the squeeze theorem?
 
canon23 said:
So far I've tried:

let y = x
let y = x^2
let y = x^3
let y = sqrt(x)

and got 0 for all. Is it possible to solve using the squeeze theorem?

Try ##y=x## again and show your work.
 
let y = x

lim (x,x) -> (0,0) [(x^2*sin(x)^2)/(x^4+x^4)]
= lim (x) -> (0) [(x^2*sin(x)^2)/(2*x^4)]
= lim (x) -> (0) [(x^2*sin(x)^2)/(2*x^2*x^2)]
= lim (x) -> (0) [(sin(x)^2)/(2*x^2)]
= 0
 
canon23 said:
let y = x

lim (x,x) -> (0,0) [(x^2*sin(x)^2)/(x^4+x^4)]
= lim (x) -> (0) [(x^2*sin(x)^2)/(2*x^4)]
= lim (x) -> (0) [(x^2*sin(x)^2)/(2*x^2*x^2)]
= lim (x) -> (0) [(sin(x)^2)/(2*x^2)]
= 0

Have another look at your last equality. Are you sure that
\begin{equation*}
\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ \sin^2 x}{2x^2} = 0?
\end{equation*}
 
Yes you're right I would get 0/0 (undefined) and the limit does not exist. The other paths I mentioned early turn out to be the same. Thanks for your help. Could this be solved using the squeeze theorem?
 
canon23 said:
Yes you're right I would get 0/0 (undefined) and the limit does not exist. The other paths I mentioned early turn out to be the same. Thanks for your help. Could this be solved using the squeeze theorem?

No. The limit
\begin{equation*}
\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin^2 x}{2x^2}
\end{equation*}
DOES exist. It is just not zero! You should compute it. You could use the fact that you know (?) ##\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin x}{x}## or use something powerful like a Taylor expansion or l'Hopital.
 
canon23 said:
Could this be solved using the squeeze theorem?
Not really. The squeeze theorem allows you to prove that a function has a limit, but in this case, you're trying to show that the limit of a given function does not exist.
 

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