Head-on Proton Collision: Finding Speed

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The discussion revolves around a problem in particle physics involving the collision of two protons, where one proton has twice the speed of the other. The scenario describes their closest approach during a head-on collision and seeks to determine their initial speeds, while considering conservation of energy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the connection between speed and energy conservation, with one suggesting the use of the conservation of energy equation. Others question how to handle multiple unknowns, including mass, velocity, and charge.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the relationship between the variables involved and the feasibility of breaking the problem into parts. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance on using conservation principles has been mentioned.

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Participants note the challenge posed by the unknown values of mass, velocity, and charge, which complicates the problem-solving process. There is an acknowledgment of the need for specific equations to connect these variables.

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Question - Two protons, separated by a large distance, are fired directly at each other. The closest approach in this head-on collision is 3.0 x 10^14 m. One proton starts with two times the speed of the other. Assuming there is no delection from the original path, determine the initial speed of each proton.

Solution - I read through my notes and textbook but I couldn't find any way to connect speed with this question. Is there any specific equations to use?
 
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kevykevy said:
Question - Two protons, separated by a large distance, are fired directly at each other. The closest approach in this head-on collision is 3.0 x 10^14 m. One proton starts with two times the speed of the other. Assuming there is no delection from the original path, determine the initial speed of each proton.

Solution - I read through my notes and textbook but I couldn't find any way to connect speed with this question. Is there any specific equations to use?
Conservation of energy.

the total energy is [tex]{1 \over 2} m_1 v_1^2 + {1 \over 2} m_2 v_2^2 - {k q_1 q_2 \over r}[/tex] and it is conserved.
 
So, since I don't know what the mass is or the speed, would I split the question up into two parts, the first being at collision so I can solve for mass since speed is zero. Then I can use the law of conservation of energy to find velocity at start?
 
Actually, how would I solve that if there is 3 unknowns: mass, velocity, and charge?
 

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