Hearing in Space: Can You Hear a Vacuum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of sound in space, particularly whether sound can propagate in a vacuum and under what conditions it might be heard. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving sound transmission in space, the effects of explosions, and the implications of a hypothetical atmosphere extending from Earth to the sun.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that sound cannot propagate in the vacuum of space, as sound requires a medium, such as air, to travel.
  • Others propose that sound could be transmitted if there were an explosion in space, as the expanding gases could provide a medium for sound waves.
  • A participant questions whether sound from the sun could be heard if there were an atmosphere extending from Earth to the sun, suggesting that it might be possible but would take a long time to reach us.
  • Another participant agrees that we would hear sounds from the sun, but they would likely degrade into a low-level hum over time.
  • There is a discussion about whether vibrations in particles generate sound, with some noting that not all vibrations result in audible sound due to the need for coherent energy in the collisions.
  • A participant raises the possibility that vibrations could stop after a few minutes, questioning the conditions under which sound could be produced over such distances.
  • One participant acknowledges the challenges of validating their comments mathematically, highlighting the complexity of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the propagation of sound in space, with some agreeing that sound cannot travel in a vacuum while others explore specific scenarios where sound might be heard. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which sound could be perceived in space.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about sound propagation, the nature of vibrations, and the mathematical validation of claims. The scope of the discussion is also restricted to hypothetical scenarios rather than empirical evidence.

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Hello again :smile: To my understanding, sound is vibrating particles in the air. Does that mean that in Space you can't hear anything because its mainly a vacuum?
 
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In space, no one can hear you scream!
 
theneedtoknow said:
In space, no one can hear you scream!

That is fascinating! scary too :smile:
 
Well, in one sense it's true but in another it's not.

For example, if you were outside a spaceship and rang a simple bell, that sound would not propagate.

However, if while outside you set-off a gaseous explosion, the expanding gases would provide a medium for sound waves.
In other words, if 2 spacecraft were relatively close to each other and one exploded, the violently expanding gases and materials impacting the second craft would most definitely be "heard" by those inside when the vibrational impact affects the hull and then the air inside the second craft.
 
pallidin said:
Well, in one sense it's true but in another it's not.

For example, if you were outside a spaceship and rang a simple bell, that sound would not propagate.

However, if while outside you set-off a gaseous explosion, the expanding gases would provide a medium for sound waves.
In other words, if 2 spacecraft were relatively close to each other and one exploded, the violently expanding gases and materials impacting the second craft would most definitely be "heard" by those inside when the vibrational impact affects the hull and then the air inside the second craft.

That makes sense. If there was an atmosphere that extended from Earth to the sun so there was no vacuum between us, would we hear the sun boiling or is the sun just to far away to hear regardless?
 
Yes, we would hear it!

The variations would take a very long time(many years I suppose) and would likely degrade/integrate into some sort of low-level "hum"
 
pallidin said:
Yes, we would hear it!

The variations would take a very long time(many years I suppose) and would likely degrade/integrate into some sort of low-level "hum"

That's weird. Then again what isn't?
 
Now my brain is hurting. Are vibrations in particles caused by other particles banging into them? Does sound genterate every time a particle vibrates?
 
Vorbis said:
Now my brain is hurting. Are vibrations in particles caused by other particles banging into them? Does sound genterate every time a particle vibrates?
Yes, but there isn't enough coordinated/coherent energy in those collisions to create audible sounds. The vibrations have to be in phase to cause your eardrum to vibrate.

In a way, though, the phenomena of sound and static air pressure are similar...
 
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pallidin said:
Yes, we would hear it!

The variations would take a very long time(many years I suppose) and would likely degrade/integrate into some sort of low-level "hum"

But would the vibrations stop after a few minutes to where the atoms can't collide to make a sound?
 
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Vorbis said:
But would the vibrations stop after a few minutes to where the atoms can't collide to make a sound?

Sure. That's certainly possible. And, given the distance between our Earth and our sun, even with some type of atmosphere in-between many sounds would not reach us.

However, on the sun there are really BIG explosions, many times the size of our earth!
So, with senstive instruments, under those conditions one "might" be able to hear a low-level hum.

But with such distances involved, even with an atmosphere in-between, I don't have the math skills to validate my comment.
 

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