No sound in vacuum? So can I clap more?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of sound production during a hand clap in a vacuum. Participants explore the implications of clapping in a vacuum, including energy conversion, sound wave generation, and the physiological effects of being in a vacuum environment.

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  • Some participants question whether sound is produced at all during a clap in a vacuum, suggesting that energy is primarily converted to heat instead.
  • Others propose that while sound waves may not travel through a vacuum, vibrations could still occur within the body.
  • It is noted that in a vacuum, less energy is carried away from the hands, potentially allowing for more heat generation.
  • Some participants suggest that the absence of air would alter the sensation of clapping, possibly making it feel different.
  • One participant mentions that the energy output as sound from a clap is minimal compared to the kinetic energy involved in the motion of the hands.
  • There are discussions about the physiological effects of being in a vacuum, including the misconception that one would explode, with some clarifying that death would occur quickly but not explosively.
  • Historical references are made to NASA experiments involving vacuum exposure and the survival of subjects, contributing to the discussion about human limits in such conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of clapping in a vacuum, particularly regarding sound production and physiological responses. There is no consensus on whether clapping can occur effectively in a vacuum or the implications of doing so.

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Some claims rely on assumptions about human physiology in a vacuum and the nature of sound transmission, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I was just wondering (Wondering!? Stop wasting our precious time!) about clapping my hands.
*Claps*
It's sound energy. A little energy is released as heat.
Good.
This means that I have used some energy from my body. In making those two energies.
Right.
<<Mentor note: rant removed>>
So, I am in a vacuum. And I clap. Wonderful. I hear no sound.
But does this mean that the clap sound isn't being produced at all?
That is, the energy which was being converted to heat and sound is now being converted to just heat ( I understand there will be friction. Else there won't be any clap.)
So, the question is: Can I clap more times in a vacuum? As energy use is reduced?

Thanks for reading. Keep physicking.
 
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prakhargupta3301 said:
But does this mean that the clap sound isn't being produced at all?
There would still be sound waves in your body

prakhargupta3301 said:
Can I clap more times in a vacuum? As energy use is reduced?
Your hands have no drag, so that makes it easier.
 
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In air, some of the energy is converted to sound (vibrations in the air) and carried away.

In a vacuum, there is no air to vibrate. There might be vibrations in your flesh and blood. But less energy is carried away from your hands, so more heat will be generated.
 
A.T. said:
Your hands have no drag, so that makes it easier.
I suspect it would feel noticeably different as they come together with no air in between them. Your mind would probably be on other things at the time but you could be applauding the skill of the airlock operator (ironically, perhaps).
 
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I would think the proportion of energy that comes out as sound from a hand clap is minimal compared to the kinetic energy exchange that's happening when you accelerate your hand then collide it with the other hand. Just look at the mass difference, you are moving and stopping water filled meat ballons (~1kg/liter) to move air (1.2g/liter).
 
prakhargupta3301 said:
So, I am in a vacuum. And I clap. Wonderful. I hear no sound.

You mean before you explode from being in a vacuum. You can't clap in a vacuum because you would not be alive. Suppose you are in a space suit and clap - sound will be produced inside the suit as per normal. The suit will of course also vibrate - but that vibration will not transfer energy to anything outside because there is nothing outside - but inside - it's as per normal.

A much better question is all these movable parts they have on say the space-station etc exposed to space - what happens to the sound they would normally make when they move if it was here on earth.

I will let you think about that one.

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
You mean before you explode from being in a vacuum
You don't explode in a vacuum. You'd die pretty quickly, but you could probably clap a few times before you went.
 
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Khashishi said:
You don't explode in a vacuum. You'd die pretty quickly, but you could probably clap a few times before you went.

Its not even that quick in the general scheme of things... Its actually horrifyingly slow, like minutes, mind you, you've lost consciousness before actual death, but you'd have 10's of seconds to contemplate your demise (and test how loud your clap is).

Before morals were invented (pre 1967?) NASA did some tests on chimps' survival in near vacuum, and they were able to revive them after up to 3.5min of exposure.

"For example, in 1965 a technician inside a vacuum chamber at Johnson Space Center in Houston accidentally depressurized his space suit by disrupting a hose. After 12 to 15 seconds he lost consciousness. He regained it at 27 seconds, after his suit was repressurized to about half that of sea level. The man reported that his last memory before blacking out was of the moisture on his tongue beginning to boil as well as a loss of taste sensation that lingered for four days following the accident, but he was otherwise unharmed."
 
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essenmein said:
Its not even that quick in the general scheme of things... Its actually horrifyingly slow, like minutes, mind you, you've lost consciousness before actual death, but you'd have 10's of seconds to contemplate your demise (and test how loud your clap is).

Before morals were invented (pre 1967?) NASA did some tests on chimps' survival in near vacuum, and they were able to revive them after up to 3.5min of exposure.

"He regained it at 27 seconds, after his suit was repressurized to about half that of sea level. The man reported that his last memory before blacking out was of the moisture on his tongue beginning to boil as well as a loss of taste sensation that lingered for four days following the accident, but he was otherwise unharmed."
I totally agree with this horrifying information. It's just like at low pressures water boils quickly. *sigh*
 
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bhobba said:
You mean before you explode from being in a vacuum. You can't clap in a vacuum because you would not be alive.

Thanks
Bill

For who the marshmallow man? I suspect space would take your breath away, and make you burp and fart at the same time :)

Oh and really hurt the ears; perhaps a little too quiet lol
 
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nitsuj said:
For who the marshmallow man? I suspect space would take your breath away, and make you burp and fart at the same time :) Oh and really hurt the ears; perhaps a little too quiet lol

That you explode from the pressure difference is an old wife's tale that has been corrected by others. The point is you die - maybe you can get a few claps off before that - maybe.

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
That you explode from the pressure difference is an old wife's tale that has been corrected by others. The point is you die - maybe you can get a few claps off before that - maybe.

Thanks
Bill
You're right, sorry for using the misunderstanding as a segway for an attempt at lame comedy. But at least I didn't insult old wives everywhere...or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the semantics ;)
 
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